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Old 01-30-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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We hear so many Pastors stand and proclaim
The God OF Abraham, Issac, and Jacob to us.
The God OF someone else...

For Israel worshiped the God OF Their fathers:
The God (OF) Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.


But Jesus taught OF His God, and Our God. - John 20:17

I don't worship the God (OF) someone else.
I worship the God OF Jesus, as His God, Is my God.
I don't have to go through some others to get my God.
I go through Jesus. -
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Old 01-30-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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We hear so many Pastors stand and proclaim
The God OF Abraham, Issac, and Jacob to us.
The God OF someone else...

For Israel worshiped the God OF Their fathers:
The God (OF) Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.


But Jesus taught OF His God, and Our God. - John 20:17

I don't worship the God (OF) someone else.
I worship the God OF Jesus, as His God, Is my God.
I don't have to go through some others to get my God.
I go through Jesus. -

One either worships the same God that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did - or they do not.

Personally, I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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Do you know Jesus never referred anyone to
the God (Of) His 'fathers' Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Jesus never referred to the God of His fathers
cause they were not His fathers.

Jesus said call no one your father
for there is One in heaven Who is your Father.

Why would Jeus refer anyone to
the God (OF) someone else's father?
When Jesus said
His God is our God and His Father is our Father?

With all The Messinic Myths about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
We've no proof of Jesus Himself ever taught their God is our God.

Jesus said, His God is our God.
Not that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's God is our God.

So why do so many Pastor's teach that
the God (OF) Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's God is our God?
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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Do you know Jesus never referred anyone to
the God (Of) His 'fathers' Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Jesus never referred to the God of His fathers
cause they were not His fathers.

Jesus said call no one your father
for there is One in heaven Who is your Father.

Why would Jeus refer anyone to
the God (OF) someone else's father?
When Jesus said
His God is our God and His Father is our Father?

With all The Messinic Myths about Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
We've no proof of Jesus Himself ever taught their God is our God.

Jesus said, His God is our God.
Not that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's God is our God.

So why do so many Pastor's teach that
the God (OF) Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's God is our God?
You do realize the Scriptures that Christ taught from where the OT, right? And who is the God of the OT? The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the SAME God of the NT.

Or do you believe there's two Gods/Yahovahs? One the "Father" of the OT saints and another the Father of NT saints?

ETA: Believers didn't just come into being after Christ rose from the dead. The OT saints also belonged to Christ's church [called the assembly/congregation] you know.

Ac 7:38 This is he, [Moses] that was in the church [ekklesia=called out ones] in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, [Hebrew=Sinai] and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Who is Jesus OF ?

God?
Or, the God of someone else?
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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Who is Jesus OF ?

God?
Or, the God of someone else?
What is your point?

Mt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Who was Abraham's God? YHVH the same God Christ called our Father!!


Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham‘s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
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Old 01-30-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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What is your point?

Mt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Who was Abraham's God? YHVH the same God Christ called our Father!!


Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham‘s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.


Matthew 22:29-33

King James Version (KJV)

29Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

33And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

John 8:53-59

53Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.


God is a God of the living not the dead. God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Malachi 3:6

What is the penalty for blasphemy? Death by Stoning. Jesus says he was the "I Am" talking to Moses on mount Sinai. They picked up on it even if we didn't.

Exodus 3:13-15

13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.


Jesus sent Moses to the Children of Israel. Jesus was the "God of your fathers".

Revelation 1

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.




Zechariah 12:9-14

9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

14All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
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Old 01-30-2012, 08:13 PM
 
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What is your point?

Mt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Who was Abraham's God? YHVH the same God Christ called our Father!!


Ga 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham‘s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
~ Yes, Abraham's seed.
Not of Israel's seed.

Abraham is the father of many nations.

When the fullness of time come for the promise?
God sent His son to redeem those under the law
to be adopted as sons of God. - Gal.3:29-4:7

Not Sons 0f Abraham. -
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Old 01-30-2012, 09:28 PM
 
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~ Yes, Abraham's seed.
Not of Israel's seed.

Abraham is the father of many nations.

When the fullness of time come for the promise?
God sent His son to redeem those under the law
to be adopted as sons of God. - Gal.3:29-4:7

Not Sons 0f Abraham. -
Romans 11

1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?


35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.


When does Messiah come back?

Luke 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Hosea 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

When upon receiving the Spirit of grace and supplications Israel recognizes their Messiah as Lord Jesus beckoning his return saying "blessed is he who cometh in the name of the Lord".

Zechariah 12:9-11

9And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:30 AM
 
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God did not send His Son to die
so everyone could be adopted as Abraham's seed.

Jesus died so everyone could be adopted as The Sons 0f God.
crying ABBA Father. To THE Father 0f Jesus.
Not the father of Israel.
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