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Old 02-03-2012, 09:23 PM
 
Location: bible center, Islampur, MSD, W.B. India, pin code-742304
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Once murderer apostle Paul created this flawed theory to fight against old testament’s rituals. Though he lamely tried to defend it in Roman 7,14-25 by stating wrongly that his sinful nature is still doing sins, not him! Then I would ask him “if those sins don’t harm him or others?” If he says no, then I would have to conclude absurdly that Christ- professing Hitler’s sin also does not harm him or others.

Both catholic (confession ritual) and protestants are harmed by it. Then Reformers fought against catholic ritualism with it. But a wrong theory created for whatever context remains harmfully wrong in spite of its fleeting usefulness. Out of context use is sure, as everything is of many contexts. Even the reformers used the theory to promote religious wars killing millions.

It harms most by thwarting saving repentance-rectification. Their wrong argument is that, since Christ has taken away believers’ sins, they are justified. Then killer catholics and protestants are justified too! Then Hitler can be justified as he confessed Christ as lord!! If one says that he is better than Hitler as he didn’t commit those sins, then he is deluded. Christ said that our thoughts really causing sins make us sinners (Mk7-22,Mt5-27). Then Devils use us putting evil thoughts to action harming others. Hitler was used by war-lord jew-god (different from Heavenly Father) to punish Jews. It happened many times in Jewish history. Humanity supporting Atom bombs and wars are same as Hitler.

Then our courts and social norms become wrong and superfluous. Shall then humanity survive? Actually these faith-justification Christians are preparing to destroy humanity by the third world war .

We must not make apostles into infallible God. Even the chief apostle was called Devil by Christ though in a particular context. But the whole humanity is in this context.

Sin-imperfections don’t exist by itself. Light only exists having speed, weight etc, darkness does not exist by itself having no such properties. Light makes different degree of darkness apparent, by relative presence of it in different places. So Love-God, maker of perfection, only exists, sin-imperfections are lesser different degrees of presence of Him in different created souls. But souls can become less or more perfect (never absolute perfection, justification becoming like God) by repentance-rectification. It can’t be imputed as any imputed organ is sure to be rejected by the body. So Christ cant take away our sin-imperfections but he gives his fellowship to repentant believers for guiding to improvement. Salvation for us, heaven fallen Devil’s brood (MT23-33), is turning away from suicidally rebellious hate-disintegration (Hell) to life promoting love-integration (Heaven). Faith doesn't save(Jacob2-19,Jn13-38) but helps in obeying Christ to exercise love. It saves soul by love-integration. If we exercise love obeying Christ, our love increases to integrate us more within ourselves and with God. Love’s nature is binding and integrating. Salvation is to be gained from inside and can’t be given from outside. As children, all born in sin, have little integrity to control its movements, tantrums, passions and rebellions, such is a sinner. But when grown up in love a child or sinner becomes more love-integrated to control rebellious passions to do virtuous acts. It is saving the child or the sinner. This world is like a correction center of a heaven’s problem children. Those who make christianity into a magic like salvation for immediate success negate this sowing disaster.

As a teacher Christ helps us to learn from his perfection. If we don’t learn; even Christ can’t force us as in the case of Judas and Jews. If God could, then that God would be the greatest criminal for causing souls only for eternal condemnation. We must deny that Devil-worse God, lest we become like Him by worshipping! Alas! Most Christians are becoming like Him leading humanity to 3rd world war.

This is most important to Muslim evangelizer me. Before inviting them to my Christ-following house, I have to be sure that it stands on strong foundation. Christ is abiding with me in this lone mission and guiding its reconstruction. He builds on human reason as in the gospels. True Christ believer president Jefferson stressed on reason to correct the foundation of USA. Our reason is better than apostles as we, living in more enlightened age of freedom, are better informed. Holy Spirit was with them and is with us too if we do Christ’s work.

Last edited by stephen santanu goswami; 02-03-2012 at 09:30 PM.. Reason: spacing
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:28 AM
 
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Jesus said as the deceived world prepare for war of Armageddon against God purpose from Revelation 16:15...... Jesus warns His Children ...``Behold I come as a thief..Blessed is he that watches and keeps His garments , lest he walk naked, and they see his shame ``..... See Jesus means people will be judged by the son Jesus and could lose their salvation .. blessed is he who prays and watches and know the spirit with discernment , and stays clean of sin, or be disobedient like Adam and his naked sin...... See People who are bias or favor taking side can fall into this deception instead of obeying Jesus Commands and `love your neighbor as your self`and God preferred Life is your discernment of good fruit verses evil fruit
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:53 AM
 
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It wasn't Paul who started/promoted the "secure in sin" deception. You are right though, it may have led to some madnesses of "Christians" in history. It certainly isn't helping the church these days either.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: bible center, Islampur, MSD, W.B. India, pin code-742304
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Jesus said as the deceived world prepare for war of Armageddon against God purpose from Revelation 16:15...... Jesus warns His Children ...``Behold I come as a thief..Blessed is he that watches and keeps His garments , lest he walk naked, and they see his shame ``..... See Jesus means people will be judged by the son Jesus and could lose their salvation .. blessed is he who prays and watches and know the spirit with discernment , and stays clean of sin, or be disobedient like Adam and his naked sin...... See People who are bias or favor taking side can fall into this deception instead of obeying Jesus Commands and `love your neighbor as your self`and God preferred Life is your discernment of good fruit verses evil fruit
Certainly we are to love our neighbor. But our heaven-fallen nature is to war with neighbor. So the easy preachers teaching faith=justification gains most popularity. So the religious wars and the two world wars were by those Christians(?) and the 3rd is imminent. Prayers and watching will not save but loving neighbor will save if not in this body but in soul. Then our soul will be so love integratd that it cant be broken apart by any war or torture.This is my love to you. I am saved by that love not by prayers or watching
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