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Old 02-09-2012, 06:17 PM
 
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as far as my knowledge on the bible goes..
i believe that jesus purpose or message was love and unity and forgiveness and kindness ect ete. in all tha gospels of the bible given evidence of this.

why is that we fight? why is it that we cant seem to get it?
do u think that we are obeying what he says by the way we live and treat eachother?

if we were obeying him and following him. wouldnt we be at peace, forgetting which order you follow..wouldnt we be kind to eachother and show patience and love?

those who truly beleive in their hearts that this is the truth , a way to live by. would u obey this?

why dont we? what is stopping us from practicing what was preached by jesus, who to believers is Lord and saviour..
if we dont listen to him... how can we ever listen to anyone? if he is placed at the top, the highest.. the Most high.. if we dont respect him.. who would we ever respect?

do u listen to the man called jesus spoken about in the bible? ( believers)

kindness, love, generosty, patience, strength, faith, humilty, - these are the quality of our most high, why dont we follow them?
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:35 PM
 
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as far as my knowledge on the bible goes..
i believe that jesus purpose or message was love and unity and forgiveness and kindness ect ete. in all tha gospels of the bible given evidence of this.

why is that we fight? why is it that we cant seem to get it?
do u think that we are obeying what he says by the way we live and treat eachother?

if we were obeying him and following him. wouldnt we be at peace, forgetting which order you follow..wouldnt we be kind to eachother and show patience and love?

those who truly beleive in their hearts that this is the truth , a way to live by. would u obey this?

why dont we? what is stopping us from practicing what was preached by jesus, who to believers is Lord and saviour..
if we dont listen to him... how can we ever listen to anyone? if he is placed at the top, the highest.. the Most high.. if we dont respect him.. who would we ever respect?

do u listen to the man called jesus spoken about in the bible? ( believers)

kindness, love, generosty, patience, strength, faith, humilty, - these are the quality of our most high, why dont we follow them?
Do the 'caps' on your computer not work? (Jesus and God are typically capitalized ... just a nit, or is it?)

In any case, the qualities you describe are almost identical to the 'fruit of the Holy Spirit' in Gal. 5:22. By definition: The fruit OF THE SPIRIT is produced in reborn believers, by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.... NOT by the effort or desire of the flesh.

This seems like an obvious truth, but, many still declare that THEY are "trying to do the work of the LORD", when, by definition: The work of the Lord ... can only be done by the Lord.

The point is that even believers can only imitate the 'fruit of the Holy Spirit' and the 'work of the Lord' ... in their flesh. Therefore, the work of God in willing believers is to sanctify, transform, conform them into the image of Christ. It is a lifetime process; starting with 'baby Christians' and proceeding at a pace determined by our submission ('getting our flesh out of the way so the Lord can truly be LORD of our lives!).

Non-born again believers, again by definition: are NOT born again in the Holy Spirit, even though many are quite religious and active in church! But, they have only their own flesh to work with! This is the basis of the world's confusion when it looks at the institutional church and people who claim to be Christians, but, have no evidence of Christ's Lordship in their lives.
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Old 02-09-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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Do the 'caps' on your computer not work? (Jesus and God are typically capitalized ... just a nit, or is it?)

In any case, the qualities you describe are almost identical to the 'fruit of the Holy Spirit' in Gal. 5:22. By definition: The fruit OF THE SPIRIT is produced in reborn believers, by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.... NOT by the effort or desire of the flesh.

This seems like an obvious truth, but, many still declare that THEY are "trying to do the work of the LORD", when, by definition: The work of the Lord ... can only be done by the Lord.

The point is that even believers can only imitate the 'fruit of the Holy Spirit' and the 'work of the Lord' ... in their flesh. Therefore, the work of God in willing believers is to sanctify, transform, conform them into the image of Christ. It is a lifetime process; starting with 'baby Christians' and proceeding at a pace determined by our submission ('getting our flesh out of the way so the Lord can truly be LORD of our lives!).

Since non-born again believers, again by definition: are NOT born again in the Holy Spirit, even though many are quite religious and active in church! But, they have only their own flesh to work with! This is the basis of the world's confusion when it looks at the institutional church and people who claim to be Christians, but, have no evidence of Christ's Lordship in their lives.

dont we have control over how we act and treat others? does that have to come from a spirt of some other .. arent we in control of our selves ? do kindness, patience, love , gentleness. humilty take miracles to achieve? maybe am wrong.. am jsut saying.

the last time i checked these things are prettyy simple and straighforward ( with a lil practice if u need)
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Old 02-12-2012, 04:30 AM
 
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Following Jesus requires that we keep offenses and correction in a peaceful ways and Holy Spirit needs peace for Him to abide in our lives .... but if unbelief from the world tries to fight us then we must pray for peace in the spirit or plead the Blood of Jesus Judgment of the issues as when Jesus fixes our need for Peace it will be 180 degrees from what the world can do..... ........ Also if spelling and capitalizing is at need City-data has a link on the Reply e-mail pages called ``ieSpell`` were we can go and download a spelling program on our Computer for check spelling all e-mail pages and people Just install the program , then a right-click on the mouse and `check spelling `is there for your use ... There is only one glitch and you must cannot add words after the check or page can be lost , so you must push `submit reply` or `send` after the spell check
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:14 AM
 
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as far as my knowledge on the bible goes..
i believe that jesus purpose or message was love and unity and forgiveness and kindness ect ete. in all tha gospels of the bible given evidence of this.

why is that we fight? why is it that we cant seem to get it?
do u think that we are obeying what he says by the way we live and treat eachother?

if we were obeying him and following him. wouldnt we be at peace, forgetting which order you follow..wouldnt we be kind to eachother and show patience and love?

those who truly beleive in their hearts that this is the truth , a way to live by. would u obey this?

why dont we? what is stopping us from practicing what was preached by jesus, who to believers is Lord and saviour..
if we dont listen to him... how can we ever listen to anyone? if he is placed at the top, the highest.. the Most high.. if we dont respect him.. who would we ever respect?

do u listen to the man called jesus spoken about in the bible? ( believers)

kindness, love, generosty, patience, strength, faith, humilty, - these are the quality of our most high, why dont we follow them?
The reason we fight over it is, those things that you state are not as important to us as believing all the right doctrines are (a form of godliness but denying the power of it, and the power being the things you stated).

Give us today our Daily Bread.
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:27 AM
 
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Do the 'caps' on your computer not work? (Jesus and God are typically capitalized ... just a nit, or is it?)

In any case, the qualities you describe are almost identical to the 'fruit of the Holy Spirit' in Gal. 5:22. By definition: The fruit OF THE SPIRIT is produced in reborn believers, by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.... NOT by the effort or desire of the flesh.

This seems like an obvious truth, but, many still declare that THEY are "trying to do the work of the LORD", when, by definition: The work of the Lord ... can only be done by the Lord.

The point is that even believers can only imitate the 'fruit of the Holy Spirit' and the 'work of the Lord' ... in their flesh. Therefore, the work of God in willing believers is to sanctify, transform, conform them into the image of Christ. It is a lifetime process; starting with 'baby Christians' and proceeding at a pace determined by our submission ('getting our flesh out of the way so the Lord can truly be LORD of our lives!).

Non-born again believers, again by definition: are NOT born again in the Holy Spirit, even though many are quite religious and active in church! But, they have only their own flesh to work with! This is the basis of the world's confusion when it looks at the institutional church and people who claim to be Christians, but, have no evidence of Christ's Lordship in their lives.
The Living God Is not something separate from us. The supposed separation is in the mind.


And you -- once being alienated, and enemies in the mind, in the evil works, yet now did he reconcile. Col 1:21
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:40 AM
 
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Even though I'm no longer a believer I think that the example of the Christ Jesus is a good one to follow. As the story goes, he was a kind, loving and caring character in an otherwise severely flawed story book. Even if he wasn't real.
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:20 AM
 
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Even though I'm no longer a believer I think that the example of the Christ Jesus is a good one to follow. As the story goes, he was a kind, loving and caring character in an otherwise severely flawed story book. Even if he wasn't real.
True!

The bible does have a few good points, then again so do many other religious texts.

It's just all the other stuff I don't buy into.
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Old 02-13-2012, 05:31 AM
 
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Even though I'm no longer a believer I think that the example of the Christ Jesus is a good one to follow. As the story goes, he was a kind, loving and caring character in an otherwise severely flawed story book. Even if he wasn't real.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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as far as my knowledge on the bible goes..
i believe that jesus purpose or message was love and unity and forgiveness and kindness ect ete. in all tha gospels of the bible given evidence of this.
This is how we follow Jesus:

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There are two ways: one of life and one of death; and the difference between the two ways is great.

The way of life is this: first, you should love God, who made you; secondly, love your neighbor as yourself; and whatever things you do not desire to be done to you, do not do them to someone else.


Now the words of this teaching are this: Bless those who curse you and pray for your enemies, and fast for those who are persecuting you. For what credit is it if you love those who love you? Do not the Gentiles do the same thing? But love those hating you, and you will not have an enemy.


Keep yourself from fleshly and bodily cravings. If anyone hits you on the right cheek, turn the other one to him also. And you will be acting maturely. If someone should force you to go one mile, go with him two. If someone takes your coat, give him your shirt also. If anyone should take from you what is yours, do not demand that he give it back, for you cannot.

Give to everyone asking you and do not refuse, for the Father desires to give to everyone from His own gifts. Blessed is the one who gives according to the commandment, for he is innocent. But the one who receives without need shall account for his receiving. Furthermore, being held, he shall be examined concerning what he has done, and he shall not be released until he has given back the last cent.

It has been said concerning this, "Let your money sweat in your hands until you know whom you should give it to."


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