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Old 02-11-2012, 01:37 PM
 
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True He is calling us out of the mindset of God being some form of being up in the skies looking down upon the world in anger towards it.

Men of Galilee, they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky For lo, the kingdom of God is within you."
Without further delay; immediately.
Amen ...P.Camps!

Unfortunately, many are still waiting for a sign.

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Old 02-11-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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A lot of folks want a feel good gospel. They don't want to hear that YHWH will judge. They want to think that He will save everyone. The Bible does not teach that. Everyone will be raised, but not all will be saved. We are to be a set apart people. It would seam that the church is being absorbed into the worlds idea of Christianity. The church seams less set apart than it was. YHWH, is calling His people out, listen, pray, and be ready, and WE WILL FIND OUT.
A few are called "Out" for a reason, which will ultimately benefit humanity.
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Old 02-11-2012, 02:47 PM
 
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Without further delay; immediately.
Amen ...P.Camps!

Unfortunately, many are still waiting for a sign.
A sign from heaven too.

The sign is right in us.

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:15 PM
 
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What Paul is saying here is the Salvation of God through His grace and favor towards us is available today in our everyday matters, he is not talking about unbelievers accepting some sort of ultimatum before it is to late for them.

Salvation is about today, what use is it tomorrow if you need bread and water on your table today ?.
Think this through... if one is already reconciled to God... why does Paul implore to be reconciled? (2Corinthians 5:20) There is no need for the "imploring" to be reconciled when believers are already reconciled. Paul is in fact imploring the unbeliever to not waist the opportunity
  • Be reconciled to God...
  • now is the time of God’s favor
    now is the day of salvation
2 Corinthians 5 ends with God through Paul saying:
  • "from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view"
  • "And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation"
  • We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
Reconcile def: (Websters)
  1. Restore friendly relations between: "she wanted to be reconciled with her father".
  2. Cause to coexist in harmony;
Now pcamps, now ... not whenever.
Like Paul, I don't regard no one with a worldly pov.
Paul is exactly saying that God's time of favor is not endless... don't wait.

Now is the time!!!

The worldy pov is "he is not talking about unbelievers accepting some sort of ultimatum before it is to late for them." ...........
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:31 PM
 
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Think this through... if one is already reconciled to God... why does Paul implore to be reconciled? (2Corinthians 5:20) There is no need for the "imploring" to be reconciled when believers are already reconciled. Paul is in fact imploring the unbeliever to not waist the opportunity
  • Be reconciled to God...
  • now is the time of God’s favor
    now is the day of salvation
2 Corinthians 5 ends with God through Paul saying:
  • "from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view"
  • "And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation"
  • We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
Reconcile def: (Websters)
  1. Restore friendly relations between: "she wanted to be reconciled with her father".
  2. Cause to coexist in harmony;
Now pcamps, now ... not whenever.
Like Paul, I don't regard no one with a worldly pov.
Paul is exactly saying that God's time of favor is not endless... don't wait.

Now is the time!!!

The worldy pov is "he is not talking about unbelievers accepting some sort of ultimatum before it is to late for them." ...........
* As God’s co-workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 Cor 6:1

Excuse me for talking like a Fundy , but Paul is clearly talking to believers.

If we are not experiencing His grace and favor in our daily walk, we simply are not experiencing His Salvation. Unfortunately we fundies love talking about the future I.e we are going to heaven,we will raptured,even what we call eternity is in the future, yet salvation as always been about in our time of need,which is always in the here and now.

Salvation is in or moment of need

***“Truly I tell you,” he continued, “no prophet is accepted in his hometown. I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. And there were many in Israel with leprosy[ in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”
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Old 02-11-2012, 06:20 PM
 
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Think this through... if one is already reconciled to God... why does Paul implore to be reconciled? (2Corinthians 5:20) There is no need for the "imploring" to be reconciled when believers are already reconciled. Paul is in fact imploring the unbeliever to not waist the opportunity
  • Be reconciled to God...
  • now is the time of God’s favor
    now is the day of salvation
2 Corinthians 5 ends with God through Paul saying:
  • "from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view"
  • "And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation"
  • We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
Reconcile def: (Websters)
  1. Restore friendly relations between: "she wanted to be reconciled with her father".
  2. Cause to coexist in harmony;
Now pcamps, now ... not whenever.
Like Paul, I don't regard no one with a worldly pov.
Paul is exactly saying that God's time of favor is not endless... don't wait.

Now is the time!!!

The worldy pov is "he is not talking about unbelievers accepting some sort of ultimatum before it is to late for them." ...........



Great explanation, Twin.
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Old 02-11-2012, 07:02 PM
 
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Great explanation, Twin.
Can you explain how ?.
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Old 02-11-2012, 07:15 PM
 
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Great explanation, Twin.
So, you are making the same claim as Twin, that humanity must accept Jesus before dying their first death?
If men are resurrected and brought to life, then that time would still be within the day of man – would it not?
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Old 02-11-2012, 08:24 PM
 
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So, you are making the same claim as Twin, that humanity must accept Jesus before dying their first death?
If men are resurrected and brought to life, then that time would still be within the day of man – would it not?
No it would not for the point of the resurrection is not coming to faith or as Paul implored.. "now is the time for God's favor".

The purpose of the ressurection is the seperation of the wicked from the righteous.. the time for judging.
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Old 02-11-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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No it would not for the point of the resurrection is not coming to faith or as Paul implored.. "now is the time for God's favor".

The purpose of the resurrection is the separation of the wicked from the righteous ...the time for judging.
So, you would remain an unbeliever, even after being resurrected?
Be mindful that these are not those who already believe, yet have not seen.
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