who's Name is the Name above all names?

[kids in america_]

Originally Posted by mshipmate

Yehovah/Yaweh same God, but God didn't give Messiah God's Name after He ascended into heaven He gave Him His Name at His birth:Yeshua.

We also know God didn't give Messiah a 'new name' in heaven for He's still called "The Word of God" when He returns.

I’m not talking about the name Yeshua. I am talking about the name Yahweh. The name above all names is Yahweh. Jesus ascended to heaven and ‘god’ “gave him a name which is above every name…” (see again Phil. 2:9).

I frankly believe the name above all names is Yahweh. I doubt Php 2:9 is saying the name bestowed upon Yeshua was Yeshua because as you said he had that name since birth. Php 2:9 really took place after his ascension. Yehsua humbled himself f to the death of the cross, therefore hewas highly exalted (Php. 2: 8-9).

[kids in america_]

Jesus said in Rev. 3:12: “I will write upon him my new name”. Jesus calls God’s name, “My new name”. Ummm… Well, that's my reading of Rev. 3: 12.

[ShanaBrown]

An 'image' of someone is a picture of that person. As here:

Mt 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

Mr 12:16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar’s.

Lu 20:24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar’s.

So I ask you this. If they were able to reconize Caesar from his image than it must have looked like Caesar/the original man.

Now if I show you our penny and ask you who's image is this? You would answer me, "Abraham Lincoln." So now I ask you. Is that image of Lincoln not exactly how Lincoln looked and the original man?

The penny is not Abraham Lincoln, Mishipmate. You should understand this, but if you can't, then so be it.

The penny is a representation of the man, not the man.

Messiah was not only the image of God, but the express image i.e an exact copy. Now before you say Messiah wasn't the original you are right. He wasn't the spiritual Being, He was God in the flesh, but God none the less.

Right He is the exact copy.
C-O-P-Y

He was the exact representation of the nature of the invisible God.
When we see Jesus we "see" the invisible God, His Father and God.
Yes, the invisible God dwelled in Him but He was not all that the invisible God, His Father and God is.
A copy is not the original but represents the original.
Jesus represents the invisible God, His Father, and God and exists in the form of God but all that He has and is comes from His God.

Quote:
Jesus says that He has a God and I believe Him.
To that I ask...which "Jesus?" Shana's Jesus? Or the Messiah that's written about from Gen. to Rev?

They are the same

Shana's Jesus says he has a God.

Yes He does and the reference is:

John 20:17 Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ (NAS)


I guess you don't believe or accept His words about this , but that is your choice, Mishipmate

The Messiah of the Scriptures was accused of claiming to be this very God. More importantly the Messiah, of the Scriptures, said He was this very God.

Messiah said, "You search the Scriptures....and they are them which speak of me."

What Scriptures was He speaking of Shana? The NT? Couldn't be for it hadn't been written yet. He was speaking searching the OT, The OT that the Jews all knew and understood very well.

Well Jesus says as recorded in the scriptures:

"
34 Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? 35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

Go figure this out, Mshipmate and God bless you in your studies.

The OT that teaches what the expressions Son of God and son of man mean.

Yes they do

You need to search these same OT Scriptures to find the true Messiah written about. Why? Hosea tells us God's ppl are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

May God bless you in your studies.

Isaiah tells us if ppl speak not according to the law/testimony there's no light in them.
You don't understand what the Jews knew. They knew/understood what He claimed when He said God was His Father. When He said God was His Father He wasn't claiming to be God's son; He was claiming to be God.
They acccused Him of blasphemy because they knew/understood He wasn't claiming to be God's son, but God Himself.

and again Jesus says:

34 Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? 35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

As a result of this your "Jesus" is a different Messiah than the Scriptures proclaim. You are proclaiming another Jesus. For the Messiah of the Scriptures claimed to be the Great I AM. He claimed to be THE Saviour. He brought ppl back to life and He will ressurect the dead back to life on the last day of this earth age. The Messiah of the Scriptures accepted worship and forgave ppl of their sins.
Only the Supreme God can do all these things

Believe or reject what he scriptures tell us.

Jesus is the exact image of the invisible God, His Father and God.
He was given all things by His Father, the invisible God and His God, including the power to forgive sins, raise the dead, and other works of God.
He exists in the form of God.


I truly am sorry if you evidently can't accept this and can't accept what Jesus says. But God knows what is best at all times.

May God bless you and open your eyes one day soon, if it is according to His will. Peace...

[beeveenh]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

The penny is not Abraham Lincoln, Mishipmate. You should understand this, but if you can't, then so be it.

The penny is a representation of the man, not the man.



Right He is the exact copy.
He was the exact representation of the nature of the invisible God. Yes, the invisible God dwelled in Him but He was not all that the invisible God, His Father and God is. Yes, He represents God and exists in the form of God but all that He has and is comes from His God.






They are the same




Yes He does and the reference is:

John 20:17 Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’ (NAS)

I guess you don't believe or accept His words about this , but that is your choice, Mishipmate






Well Jesus says as recorded in the scriptures:

"
34 Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? 35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?





Yes they do




May God bless you in your studies.





and again Jesus says:

34 Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I SAID, YOU ARE GODS’? 35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?



Jesus is the exact image of the invisible God, His Father and God.
He was given all things by His Father, the invisible God and His God, including the power to forgive sins, raise the dead, and other works of God.
He exists in the form of God.

I'm sorry that you evidently can't accept this and can't accept what Jesus says.

May God bless you and open your eyes one day soon, if it is according to His will. Peace...

Shana...mshipmate may not, but others do.

[ShanaBrown]

Amen, Beeveenh God bless and peace