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Old 02-22-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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I think I read in the front of the missal that those belonging to the Orthodox churches are welcome to take Communion in the Roman Catholic church. Do they reciprocate?

I am hard pressed to find many differences between the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches, besides the fact that their priests wear hats that look like helicopter landing pads (joking), but they also have a respect for the Virigin Mary and Maria is a popular name for Greek women, as well as a veneration for the saints. My uncle married a Greek woman and, when she emigrated, she just attended Catholic church without a formal conversion.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:08 PM
 
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I think I read in the front of the missal that those belonging to the Orthodox churches are welcome to take Communion in the Roman Catholic church. Do they reciprocate?

I am hard pressed to find many differences between the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches, besides the fact that their priests wear hats that look like helicopter landing pads (joking), but they also have a respect for the Virigin Mary and Maria is a popular name for Greek women, as well as a veneration for the saints. My uncle married a Greek woman and, when she emigrated, she just attended Catholic church without a formal conversion.

Both are the original church of Christ and that is all that matters.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:43 PM
 
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I think I read in the front of the missal that those belonging to the Orthodox churches are welcome to take Communion in the Roman Catholic church. Do they reciprocate?

I am hard pressed to find many differences between the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches, besides the fact that their priests wear hats that look like helicopter landing pads (joking), but they also have a respect for the Virigin Mary and Maria is a popular name for Greek women, as well as a veneration for the saints. My uncle married a Greek woman and, when she emigrated, she just attended Catholic church without a formal conversion.
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THere are quite a few theological differences between the Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches.

For one, the Orthodox Churchs do no recognize papal authority.

They do not believe that everyone is guilty of original sin, and hence, do not believe in an Immaculate Conception.

They also allow remarriage of divorced persons under certain circumstances, but they do not consider the secong marriage to be sacramental.

etc.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:42 PM
 
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Greek churches sure know how to put on good Greek festivals.

Right, knew they responded to an authority other than the Pope. Did not know they do not believe in the Immaculate Conception. I assumed they did.

It is one culture that I'm generally very fond of (the country, the food, the people)....
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:00 PM
 
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Both are the original church of Christ and that is all that matters.
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...the Orthodox Churchs do no recognize papal authority.

They do not believe that everyone is guilty of original sin, and hence, do not believe in an Immaculate Conception.
I don't understand how two churches with such diametrically opposed beliefs on two such central doctrine as these could both be "the original church." What I'm trying to get at is what did "the original original church" teach with respect to these points of doctrine? Surely Julian will say they taught what the Roman Catholic Church now teaches and not what the Eastern Orthodox Church now teaches. I don't know what Ancient Warrior would say on the matter.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:10 PM
 
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I don't understand how two churches with such diametrically opposed beliefs on two such central doctrine as these could both be "the original church." What I'm trying to get at is what did "the original original church" teach with respect to these points of doctrine? Surely Julian will say they taught what the Roman Catholic Church now teaches and not what the Eastern Orthodox Church now teaches. I don't know what Ancient Warrior would say on the matter.
Good point.

Original sin is was a concept 'formalized' by Augustine of Hippo around 400AD.

Many other doctrines and church practices pay homage to this theory, besides just the Immaculate Conception.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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I'm pretty sure that there is a distinction between Greek and Eastern Rite churches and Greek and Eastern Orthodox Churches.

When I was a kid in parochial school I recall a prelate of an Eastern Rite church was invited to say Mass in our church, and we could receive communion.

The big point of contention between Roman Catholics and the Greek and Eastern Orthodox folks is the date that Easter is celebrated. Orthodox folks follow the Jewish calender, which would make Easter neighborhood 16 Nissan. We westerners use the much easier to figure date of the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox.
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:08 PM
 
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I don't understand how two churches with such diametrically opposed beliefs on two such central doctrine as these could both be "the original church." What I'm trying to get at is what did "the original original church" teach with respect to these points of doctrine? Surely Julian will say they taught what the Roman Catholic Church now teaches and not what the Eastern Orthodox Church now teaches. I don't know what Ancient Warrior would say on the matter.

Until 1054 they were ONE church, so they share the same origin. As the RCC they can also claim to be the original church founded by Christ.
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:27 PM
 
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Both are the original church of Christ and that is all that matters.
All that matters?....Julian, Julian.
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Old 02-24-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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I don't understand how two churches with such diametrically opposed beliefs on two such central doctrine as these could both be "the original church." What I'm trying to get at is what did "the original original church" teach with respect to these points of doctrine? Surely Julian will say they taught what the Roman Catholic Church now teaches and not what the Eastern Orthodox Church now teaches. I don't know what Ancient Warrior would say on the matter.
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Augustine developed his doctrine of Original Sin during his lifetime (354 to 430 AD) using an incorrect Latin translation of Paul's Epistle to the Romans . However, Augustine's writing were not generally known in the Eastern Church so Augustine's theory never took hold there.

The Eastern Church split from the Western Church in 1054 AD.

The Imaculate Conception dogma is of comparatively recent origin (1854 AD). A feast of the Conception of Mary, like a feast of the Conception of St. John existed about 700 AD, but the "Immaculate" part is quite new.

Te Catholic Encyclopedia admits:

"No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture."

"Originally the Church celebrated only the Feast of the Conception of Mary, as she kept the Feast of St. John's conception, not discussing the sinlessness. This feast in the course of centuries became the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, as dogmatical argumentation brought about precise and correct ideas, and as the thesis of the theological schools regarding the preservation of Mary from all stain of original sin gained strength".

"But the attempts to introduce it officially provoked contradiction and theoretical discussion, bearing upon its legitimacy and its meaning, which were continued for centuries and were not definitively settled before 1854".

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