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You had just asked:
"Doesn't that mean the one who doesn't believe in the Son will not see life??"
Yet here you admit that at one point you didn't believe in the son. Does that mean you will not see life?
That is how many people interpret this verse - as some ultimate doom if you don't believe, yet everyone was an unbeliever at one point.
The point of this verse is that when you don't believe - that is the time when you are not seeing life - that is when you are abiding in God's wrath.
Its also helpful to realize what 'seeing life' is - it is simply knowing God. That is why Jesus came, to so we may have life, and more abundantly. Scripture even defines 'eonian life' as knowing God (see John 17:3).
John 3:36 is not talking about some future ultimate doom. Read it for what it is. While you do not believe, you do not see life, and you remain in God's wrath. Yet when you do believe, you then come into God's eonian life - knowing God.
John 3:36 --- can someone explain how this verse fits in with the UR understanding?
It talks about how those who don't believe in the Son of God will not see life, but God's wrath abides on them.
abide (meno) 1) to remain, abide a) in reference to place 1) to sojourn, tarry 2) not to depart a) to continue to be present b) to be held, kept, continually b) in reference to time 1) to continue to be, not to perish, to last, endure a) of persons, to survive, live c) in reference to state or condition 1) to remain as one, not to become another or different 2) to wait for, await one
This Scripture doesn't really suggest that God's wrath has an end goal here of correction/purification.... what is your take?
Steph, one needs to see the elipsis. Here, I will insert the elipsis in bolded red:
Joh 3:36 he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life age-during, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'
As long as the apostle Paul was not believing the Son he was not in the group of believers that would be seeing life age-during. It is not saying such a one would never see life. If it said that it would contradict too mankind passages. One for instance would be
1Ti 6:13 I am charging you in the sight of God, Who is vivifying all, and of Jesus Christ, Who testifies in the ideal avowal before Pontius Pilate,
To vivify is to make alive beyond the reach of death. One day God is going to vivify or make alive all mankind. In the same book, chapter 2 and verse 4-6 it is stated that God is going to save all mankind because Christ ransomed all and in the same book, chapter 4 and verse 10 it states that God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially them that believe, (not "just them that believe.")
You had just asked:
"Doesn't that mean the one who doesn't believe in the Son will not see life??"
Yet here you admit that at one point you didn't believe in the son. Does that mean you will not see life?
That is how many people interpret this verse - as some ultimate doom if you don't believe, yet everyone was an unbeliever at one point.
The point of this verse is that when you don't believe - that is the time when you are not seeing life - that is when you are abiding in God's wrath.
Its also helpful to realize what 'seeing life' is - it is simply knowing God. That is why Jesus came, to so we may have life, and more abundantly. Scripture even defines 'eonian life' as knowing God (see John 17:3).
John 3:36 is not talking about some future ultimate doom. Read it for what it is. While you do not believe, you do not see life, and you remain in God's wrath. Yet when you do believe, you then come into God's eonian life - knowing God.
You had just asked:
"Doesn't that mean the one who doesn't believe in the Son will not see life??"
Yet here you admit that at one point you didn't believe in the son. Does that mean you will not see life?
That is how many people interpret this verse - as some ultimate doom if you don't believe, yet everyone was an unbeliever at one point.
The point of this verse is that when you don't believe - that is the time when you are not seeing life - that is when you are abiding in God's wrath.
Its also helpful to realize what 'seeing life' is - it is simply knowing God. That is why Jesus came, to so we may have life, and more abundantly. Scripture even defines 'eonian life' as knowing God (see John 17:3).
John 3:36 is not talking about some future ultimate doom. Read it for what it is. While you do not believe, you do not see life, and you remain in God's wrath. Yet when you do believe, you then come into God's eonian life - knowing God.
Joh 3:36 he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life age-during, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.'
As long as the apostle Paul was not believing the Son he was not in the group of believers that would be seeing life age-during. It is not saying such a one would never see life. If it said that it would contradict too mankind passages. One for instance would be
1Ti 6:13 I am charging you in the sight of God, Who is vivifying all, and of Jesus Christ, Who testifies in the ideal avowal before Pontius Pilate,
To vivify is to make alive beyond the reach of death. One day God is going to vivify or make alive all mankind. In the same book, chapter 2 and verse 4-6 it is stated that God is going to save all mankind because Christ ransomed all and in the same book, chapter 4 and verse 10 it states that God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially them that believe, (not "just them that believe.")
Right
John 3:36
36he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him.' (Young's Literal)
I honestly don't get it. It doesn't seem to me that any of you who have replied regarding John 3:36 are dealing honestly with the text. It appears that you are fixating on "life age-during" and completely ignoring the "abiding" of God's wrath.
So in your reasoning, all men will eventually believe. Thus making the second part of this verse moot by assigning everyone into the group that believes in the Son. Therefore, God's wrath doesn't really "abide" on anyone. Maybe only temporarily, until they believe.
The wrath of God abides on him during the ages, Steph. As was shared, when you were an unbeliever, did the wrath of God abide on you forever, or did something change? God bless and peace.
If you die an unbeliever, that's not the end though, is what you're saying (right?)..... even though the Scripture says that it is appointed for men to die once, and then comes judgement.
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