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Old 03-03-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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You're better off just saying you believe that aion should never, without exception, be translated as eternal or everlasting. Eternal and everlasting, by definition, mean unending/without end.

It is confusing to say otherwise.
Steph, how would you go about deciding when aion should be translated as eternal and when it should be translated as an age?
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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Steph, how would you go about deciding when aion should be translated as eternal and when it should be translated as an age?
Definitely not by saying "God is a God of love, therefore aion can't possibly mean 'eternal' here because that would be non-love!". When pressed with Scriptures using aion, this seems to be the contingency hermeneutic of many universalists.
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Old 03-03-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Definitely not by saying "God is a God of love, therefore aion can't possibly mean 'eternal' here because that would be non-love!". When pressed with Scriptures using aion, this seems to be the contingency hermeneutic of many universalists.
LOL. I can see that it might come across that way sometimes. Love is, indeed, the greatest factor that needs to be considered in ALL things, imo. But, no, that is not the basis for CU's understanding of the proper way to translate aion/aionios. There are some good links that explain it far better than I have the time to at the moment. Maybe someone else (Rodger, wherefore art thou?) will throw them up for you? If not, I'll try to find the time to track them down for you.
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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Definitely not by saying "God is a God of love, therefore aion can't possibly mean 'eternal' here because that would be non-love!". When pressed with Scriptures using aion, this seems to be the contingency hermeneutic of many universalists.
How do you explain God who is love letting billions be tormented forever?
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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Definitely not by saying "God is a God of love, therefore aion can't possibly mean 'eternal' here because that would be non-love!". When pressed with Scriptures using aion, this seems to be the contingency hermeneutic of many universalists.
Steph, whether God is love or not, the bible says the aions end. None are said to be unending. That should settle the matter.
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Old 03-03-2012, 06:53 PM
 
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Legoman, I don't think that many stop to think about endless suffering. Endless suffering that lasts beyond the eons of time does not reflect the love of God, which is said to be agape. I believe that it is sick and it is hateful. God is love, good, wise, just, righteous, kind, merciful, compassionate, powerful, able, and so much more but He is not hate. God bless and peace.
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:05 PM
 
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How do you explain God who is love letting billions be tormented forever?
See? This is what I mean.... But the Bible also says God is a consuming fire.
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:08 PM
 
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Steph, whether God is love or not, the bible says the aions end. None are said to be unending. That should settle the matter.
Hi Eusebius, can you let me know the places it says this in Scripture? Thanks!
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:23 PM
 
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Thank God that HE is a consuming fire and will eventually consume us all. All that is evil and sinful will be done away with when He becomes all in all. God bless and peace.
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Old 03-03-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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See? This is what I mean.... But the Bible also says God is a consuming fire.
Why is this hard for you to understand?
Do you understand what love is Steph?

Love is kind.
Love is patient.
Love is protecting.
Love is forgiving.

Would it be loving to standby let someone be tormented forever?

God is a consuming fire... do you think this means God has a split personality? He is love while He burns people forever?
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