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If one wants to find the truth, they must be honest about what they themselves believe. If they are propping up a lie, how can they find the truth?
If one wants to find the truth, they must be humble enough to admit they could be wrong. For if they are not wrong, they must already know all truth (an unlikely scenario).
If a certain group claims 2+2=5 as a belief, they are wrong. It doesn't matter that they believe it to be true. Its still a lie.
Just some (not-so?) random thoughts on this day in our continuing journey to find the truth.
If one wants to find the truth, they must be honest about what they themselves believe. If they are propping up a lie, how can they find the truth?
If one wants to find the truth, they must be humble enough to admit they could be wrong. For if they are not wrong, they must already know all truth (an unlikely scenario).
If a certain group claims 2+2=5 as a belief, they are wrong. It doesn't matter that they believe it to be true. Its still a lie.
Just some (not-so?) random thoughts on this day in our continuing journey to find the truth.
RESPONSE:
Yes. Belief lies in the will, not in the intellect.
One my indeed "believe" that 2+2 =5, but that does not make it true.
Are you humble enough to admit that you could be wrong? Or are you talking about other people?
Yes, I have been wrong in the past, and could be wrong again.
But I now know 2+2=4.
So I know I am not wrong about that.
There are things that people believe about faith and God and the afterlife that do not add up in the way that 2+2=5 does not add up. Yet people still think they are true. There was a time in my life when I believed these things were true. But now I know they do not add up.
If something does not add up, we need to question if it is really the truth.
I am on a search for the truth to what will happen to non-believers after they die. I cannot rely on what the Bible has to say because it talks out of three side of its mouth. I can say that without guilt because I know that the Bible has been adulterated and corrupted over the last 2000 years by evil men pushing their individual agendas. In the end it just boils down to faith in God and what the Holy Spirit dictates to them on the issue. No one will ever find an answer to the question reading the Bible.
Interesting proposition Legoman. I believe that one can only 'find truth' when they first define the basis for that which they will accept as truth. For example, 'Is truth that which you have personally experienced?'; 'That which your sweet old grandmother told you was true?'; 'That which 'feels true?'; 'That which the polls say is true'; 'That which your own reason and logic convince you is true?'. As you can see, there can be an unlimited range of things people believe are "true", but, then, does one's belief truly have any bearing on what is actually true?
The Bible says, "... you shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free indeed" (Jn 8:31-32) -- Thus, (if you are willing to accept the Bible as your basis of truth ... which I am) the truth is knowable and in-fact, liberating. Of course, one who rejects the Bible (based on some other (?) form of truth??) has little basis for expecting to ever truly 'know the truth' or 'be liberated from bondage to their own lack of a consistent, reliable truth standard.'
God gave us His inspired Word of truth as a reliable standard and guide for life and truth. He keeps His Word inspired and true (against the onslaughts of detractors) through the same power by which He inspired it ... and maintains His own sovereign Godhead. As a Bible student, teacher and 'Way, truth and life-follower' of many years, I have an unchanging, standard for validating whatever I may imagine --- or believe is the Holy Spirit ... or God's Truth. That standard, like God Himself, is "without variableness or turning."
The only way anyone will ever truly know the truth, is by validating the claims of men or even their own opinions, against a standard that does not derive its power and substance from men. The Bible does exactly that ... and anyone who claims otherwise, has no firm foundation for their belief.
Interesting proposition Legoman. I believe that one can only 'find truth' when they first define the basis for that which they will accept as truth. For example, 'Is truth that which you have personally experienced?'; 'That which your sweet old grandmother told you was true?'; 'That which 'feels true?'; 'That which the polls say is true'; 'That which your own reason and logic convince you is true?'. As you can see, there can be an unlimited range of things people believe are "true", but, then, does one's belief truly have any bearing on what is actually true?
The Bible says, "... you shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free indeed" (Jn 8:31-32) -- Thus, (if you are willing to accept the Bible as your basis of truth ... which I am) the truth is knowable and in-fact, liberating. Of course, one who rejects the Bible (based on some other (?) form of truth??) has little basis for expecting to ever truly 'know the truth' or 'be liberated from bondage to their own lack of a consistent, reliable truth standard.'
God gave us His inspired Word of truth as a reliable standard and guide for life and truth. He keeps His Word inspired and true (against the onslaughts of detractors) through the same power by which He inspired it ... and maintains His own sovereign Godhead. As a Bible student, teacher and 'Way, truth and life-follower' of many years, I have an unchanging, standard for validating whatever I may imagine --- or believe is the Holy Spirit ... or God's Truth. That standard, like God Himself, is "without variableness or turning."
The only way anyone will ever truly know the truth, is by validating the claims of men or even their own opinions, against a standard that does not derive its power and substance from men. The Bible does exactly that ... and anyone who claims otherwise, has no firm foundation for their belief.
Christ didn't say the Bible was the truth. He said he was. Just saying.
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