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“For the living are conscious that they will die, but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them have been forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun.”
Yet Paul says to be absent from the body is to be immediately with the Lord. So which is true?
Millions of near-death experiences testify to an immediate encounter with God or hell so it appears that Solomon was merely rendering his own opinion about what happens to the soul after death. And yet whole theologies have sprung up around this view. Yet another example of the Bible being such an absolute mess that, far from answering questions, it stirs up nothing but controversy among Christians.
Yet Paul says to be absent from the body is to be immediately with the Lord. So which is true?
Millions of near-death experiences testify to an immediate encounter with God or hell so it appears that Solomon was merely rendering his own opinion about what happens to the soul after death. And yet whole theologies have sprung up around this view. Yet another example of the Bible being such an absolute mess that, far from answering questions, it stirs up nothing but controversy among Christians.
Both are true...When you sleep 8 hours, do you observe this passage of time, but yet, when you awake it seems like no time has passed at all...It seems that you have just laid down your head...But, yet 8 hours have elapsed and you awake fully refreshed...BTW, what verse is that that Paul makes that statement?...This is actually what Paul said to the corinthians:
2Co 5:8 we have courage, and are well pleased rather to be away from the home of the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
Yet Paul says to be absent from the body is to be immediately with the Lord. So which is true?
Millions of near-death experiences testify to an immediate encounter with God or hell so it appears that Solomon was merely rendering his own opinion about what happens to the soul after death. And yet whole theologies have sprung up around this view. Yet another example of the Bible being such an absolute mess that, far from answering questions, it stirs up nothing but controversy among Christians.
Why do you suppose 'death' is called "sleep" in the Scriptures?
And Paul did not say to die is to be immediately with God. There's much confusion and false teachings about death and what does and doesn't happens at death.
Yet Paul says to be absent from the body is to be immediately with the Lord. So which is true?
Millions of near-death experiences testify to an immediate encounter with God or hell so it appears that Solomon was merely rendering his own opinion about what happens to the soul after death. And yet whole theologies have sprung up around this view. Yet another example of the Bible being such an absolute mess that, far from answering questions, it stirs up nothing but controversy among Christians.
I think what Solomon was saying was that the dead have no more knowledge of the any thing done under the sun. The state of being changes drastically.
Ecclesiastes was seemingly written by Solomon after a number of years focused on self-indulgence and seeking worldly things, instead of Godly things. Solomon reflects on and affirms the meaningless 'vanity' (and emptiness) of living a self-indulgent life apart from God.
Ecclesiasties is particularly important and relevent in today's acquisitive, materialistic world. That is because Solomon had as much money, 'stuff,' power and 'wisdom' as anyone of anytime "under the sun." Solomon ultimately concluded that life's purpose and meaning cannot be found in this world .... apart from God. Regardless of one's wealth, fame or power, this world eventually ends for everyone and leads to the same 'grave' for everyone. (God has overcome 'death and the grave' through Jesus Christ!)
Yet Paul says to be absent from the body is to be immediately with the Lord. So which is true?
Millions of near-death experiences testify to an immediate encounter with God or hell so it appears that Solomon was merely rendering his own opinion about what happens to the soul after death. And yet whole theologies have sprung up around this view. Yet another example of the Bible being such an absolute mess that, far from answering questions, it stirs up nothing but controversy among Christians.
Solomon wrote of what he new at the time.
Paul's views were based on the life, death, and revelation of Christ - which was not the case for Solomon.
See Solomon was Not re-born again in the spirit , so his vision would be short when comparing it to Christians .... Still God gave him a gift of Wisdom from Holy Spirit and the vision would more of the human condition with the goodness of God ideas , as Holy Spirit would not give him insight in the spirit , as he could not see the Kingdom of Heaven because he was not re-born in the spirit because Jesus had not come yet........ See Solomon was given a gift of wisdom , but still had poor discernment for His own family , as his many wives brought in foreign idols to the Temple and his children became selfish which split to Kingdom of Israel and Judah into too nations after Solomon passed on ..... Also when Christians passes on from this world Holy Spirit will have their soul and spirit and will keep them from falling in hand of the devil......Which in Jude :9...talks about this...``Yet Michael the Archangel when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, could not bring against a railing accusation, but said ``The Lord rebuke you```...See Moses was not re-born again in the spirit, and Michael the Archangel did not have Jesus Mighty Blood promise of Power, were he contested the body of Moses
Yet Paul says to be absent from the body is to be immediately with the Lord. So which is true?
Millions of near-death experiences testify to an immediate encounter with God or hell so it appears that Solomon was merely rendering his own opinion about what happens to the soul after death. And yet whole theologies have sprung up around this view. Yet another example of the Bible being such an absolute mess that, far from answering questions, it stirs up nothing but controversy among Christians.
Hi thrillobyte Paul does NOT say to be absent from the body is to be with the lord. He say that we walk in faith and we are confident and willing TO BE absent from the body and TO BE(future date) present with the Lord. No one has died and gone to heaven or hell and returned, that would indicate that a mistake was made and God's plan does not contain mistakes.
Ecclesiastes was seemingly written by Solomon after a number of years focused on self-indulgence and seeking worldly things, instead of Godly things. Solomon reflects on and affirms the meaningless 'vanity' (and emptiness) of living a self-indulgent life apart from God.
Ecclesiasties is particularly important and relevent in today's acquisitive, materialistic world. That is because Solomon had as much money, 'stuff,' power and 'wisdom' as anyone of anytime "under the sun." Solomon ultimately concluded that life's purpose and meaning cannot be found in this world .... apart from God. Regardless of one's wealth, fame or power, this world eventually ends for everyone and leads to the same 'grave' for everyone. (God has overcome 'death and the grave' through Jesus Christ!)
Good post!
All is vanity under the sun. The only thing that matters is service to God - his Spirit working through us. Everything else will be forgotten.
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