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Jesus gave His life for all men, Mike and He will be made heir of all. While He walked the earth, He specifically ministered to a select few, however, we know and hopefully you know that He died for all people. God loves all and God has given all to Jesus.
Hebrews 1
1 In many parts, and many ways, God of old having spoken to the fathers in the prophets,
2 in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages;
All belong to Jesus, even those who are currently alienated from Him, as weall once were.
Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light,
13 who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate [us] into the reign of the Son of His love,
14 in whom we have the redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of the sins,
15 who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,
16 because in Him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through Him, and for Him, have been created,
17 and Himself is before all, and the all things in Him have consisted.
18 And Himself is the head of the body -- the assembly -- who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that He might become in all [things] -- Himself -- first,
19 because in Him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle,
20 and through Him to reconcile the all things to Himself -- having made peace through the blood of his cross -- through Him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens.
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Everything utimately belongs to God.
God bless and peace.
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" "You have not chosen Me, but I HAVE CHOSEN YOU." (John 15:16).
God choses the believer ... but doesn't chose people to be unbelievers
I needed to ask one more question in regards to believing.
Now I know that Romans 10:9-10 says that it is beliveing in thy heart that thou art saved and with the heart man believeth unto righteousness.
You said that believing is your choice. I am sure that you must first understand in order to believe. How exactly can someone believe in their heart if God hardens their heart and doesn't give them understanding?
Job 38:36
Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
We know God is the one who hardens peoples hearts for he said:
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
In other words if God makes their heart crooked, stony, hardened, so that they cannot believe, are you saying that the individual whom God has hardened can change what God has done and straighten out that crooked heart, make it not stubborn and chose to believe? Is that what you are saying?
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Jesus Christ does not pray for the World. He is praying for those the Father has given him. Those that are his are the Fathers and Jesus is glorified in them. Those are not his are not the Fathers and Jesus is mocked and ridiculed in them.
The latter is the enemy of God. Those that will be objects of his wrath. Vessels of longsuffering prepared for destruction.
What exactly is the world? It is the earth, the flesh which is at enmity with God. Christ is not praying for the flesh but for those God has given him.
Who did God give him?
John 17:2
thou hast given him power (authority/dominion) over ALL FLESH, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
All was put under him, he will give them all eternal life.
You said: Those are not his are not the Fathers
you are correct for children of the flesh these are not children of God (Romans 9:8).
This is why he is not praying for the flesh. The flesh will experince destruction. The flesh will experience eternal damnation.
He is destroying the flesh and the works of the flesh...our sinful nature. Not the person himself, just his sinful nature.
1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
He will be saved, but his works will be burnt up.
1 John 3:8
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Yes we are responsible for responding to God's Spirit which is calling us to repentance.
We are responsible?
Abraham and Sarah also thought they were responsible for assisting God in his promise for giving them the son...and they produced Ishmael. Issac was the son of promise, and as the scripture confirm, God needed no help, nor assistance, nor responsibilities from Abraham and Sarah to fulfill his promise of the son.
Knowing the end from the beginning outside the dimension of time we are predestined thus "elect".
Is God the All knowing God?
Cause if he is, then he knows everyone.
and what do the scripture say:
Romans 8:29-30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
So since he knows everyone, he also did predestinate everyone to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he(that is Christ) might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Since he predestinated everyone, then he also called everyone, and since he called everyone, then he also justified everyone, and since he justified everyone, then he also glorified everyone.
Here's the proof
He justified everyone.....We are justified by the blood of Christ (Romans 5:9) and Christ shed his blood for everyone (1John 2:2)
So since he shed his blood for everyone (died for everyone), everyone is justified by his blood.
He also glorified everyone.... Father glorify thy son, that thy son also may glorify thee (John 17:1)
When we are justified and made sons of God, he glorified us that we may give him the glory.....God will say I am going to forgive you of your sin and treat you mercifully in spite of your wickedness and we will say THANK YOU LORD! the glory goes to him.
Abraham and Sarah also thought they were responsible for assisting God in his promise for giving them the son...and they produced Ishmael. Issac was the son of promise, and as the scripture confirm, God needed no help, nor assistance, nor responsibilities from Abraham and Sarah to fulfill his promise of the son.
Think about that!!!!
Yes we are responsible for acknowledging our offense to our Creator and accepting his Sacrifice for us personally. This is not going outside of God's program of redemption.
The Lord's not willing that any should perish, but come to repentance.. There is an action that God requires... Repentance... Apparently the majority won't (Matthew 7:13-14).
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God bless and peace
