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It couldn't be any clearer to me that the Republican party is promoting the fusion of "church and state" and would like to turn America into a theocracy. Our nation's founders knew well the dangers of such a thing, but it seems that people have been dumbed down about how our nation was formed. An example:
Think about it. If you want federal mandated "Christianity" which brand of it do you want?
Exactly. Given the absolute Constitutional mandate of the no establishment clause, how can anyone here suggest that our Constitution will allow that one particular religious doctrine can have "sway" over any other doctrine? Why is Christianity "The One True Religion" pray tell??? Obviously (OBVIOUSLY!!!) the answer is to deny any of these groups the opportunity, through biased and school-supported specific faith-based politics (see: George Dub-Yah Bush, shortly after his election the first time...)
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Hi cmforte, I agree with much of what you say but seperation of Church and state is overly abused and not in the constitution or bill of rights. I believe the Church does have a responsibility in influencing politics for moralities sake, which is being constantly eroded everyday. Now as for promoting one party or another definitly not but make sure the congregations have all the facts on all candidates.
Now as for gay marriage I cannot support the state sanctioning such an union for Biblical reasons, it is just further corruption of an already corrupt nation and God has warned us all of straying as a nation.
[/QUOTon't think it's abused at all. Religious perspectives, whether they are fundamentalist Christian, Islamic, Honjo-Congo, Apache, Hindi, Shinto or any of the thousands of other interest groups, should have no particular sway, via OUR TX DOLLARS, btw... to promote their interests. When they then proceed to try to inflict those ancient and illogical, disproven ideas through forcibly / legislatively "interrupting" the high-school Science Curriculum for their own personal agenda, that has to be stopped.
Gay marriage will not damage this nation. It will only damage the imaginary superiority of your mean-hearted and vengeful religious agenda, your holier-than-thou perspective!
Tell me exactly, and how: which modern gay and ethical couple, dedicated to each other's health, happiness and success, has damaged you in any way? Then it'll be my turn to tell you how (and how often..) Christianity has physically and emotionally damaged countless young men and women, corrupted their ability to think rationally, and to be skeptical thinkers in an increasingly crazy and greedy world [greed per se not being limited to the secular world, btw....)
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Before you call someone ignorant you must prove your point which you haven't. There is in no way shape or form the seperation of Church and state found in either document yet many try to interprit it in there.
Wrong. (btw, the word is interpret, not interprit...) Seems you cannot read that Amendment, or perhaps it's a comprehension issue? "[the First Amendment provision prohibits the federal and state governments from establishing an official religion, or from favoring or disfavoring one view of religion over another.]" Fact.
Which means the government cannot favor the RC Church or the Mormon church or Satanic Revellers or Presbyterians or The Crystal Cathedral..... against, say, a strict Atheist perspective or no perspective at all. You do not HAVE to become a member of any church in this country! But creating "Faith-based initiatives" that spend MY TAX DOLLARS is, in fact, supporting the intendee's (*G.W. Bush in this case...) desire to support his particular godly ministery's efforts to bolster public involvment, mostly in Texas...
Sorry: no tax moneys are to be spent on any religious agenda, or on "no agenda" wither. It's a free and personal issue only, never to be in any way supported by our gov'mint! Now do you understand this critically important Amendment? One would hope so!
Otherwise, perhaps you could explin to us all how you see it being interpreted? With support given to Chrisitans bia school prayer or mandeatedinclusion of non-science into teh science curriculum? Or the banning of modern secular biology texts that provide the masses of recent geological and biological proofs of Evolution and an ancient earth in their pages? Hmmm? What "has to go, by God!"???
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How is that possible? Religion is not suppose to be some ritual you just do an hour on Sunday (or Saturday, or..) It is the way you live your life and look at the world.
And we can utilize the bible, the Qu'Ran, my own personal spiritual diaries, Hitler's Mein Kampfe, Stalins' insane mumblings, or Malcolm X's equally "rantageous" tripe, to support our ideas. We just can't use the publically funded Federal or State governments or any of their vast organizations, abilities or branches to do it! Case Closed! Nolo Contenderé
Also, this diss-allows the use by government of their psychologically persuasive and pervasive abilities to manipulate (TV & Radio media, newspapers, Time or Newsweek Magazines, for another means, or those bloviating mindless radio talk shows to man-handle the listener's mind!)! THat is clearly un-Constitutional! Hands off our tax monies!
As for you staunch and devout theists: stop day-dreaming about finally taking over the minds and spiritual guidance father-figure role for the general public. T'ain't gonna happen, ever! There'd be street riots for sure!
Remember: the days of a frightened religious society all obediently bound for church on Sundays in order to guarantee their death-bed Salvation, and not doubting anything their ranting and railing preacher yowls on about, pointing an accusatory finger at YOU, are over real soon!
Science-based education and reality thinking is rapidly taking hold, church attendance [i](and it's associated cohort of better-educated young people) are increasingly skeptical of wild-eyed ranting and parrotting old-line preachers, like the nuttzo in that video above! Soon those old hard-core preacher types will find themselves run out of town on a rail! And not a moment too soon either!
lol Didn't someone on here say that some CD posters just parrot what they see on TV?:
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Exactly. given the absolute Constitutional mandate of no establishment clause, how can anyone here suggest that our Constitution will allow that one particular religious doctrine can have "sway" over any other doctrine? Why is Christianity "The One True Religion" pray tell??? Obviously (OBVIOUSLY!!!) the answer is to deny any of these groups the opportunity, through biased and school-supported specific faith-based politics (see: George Dub-Yah Bush, shortly after his election the first time...)
I con't think it's abused at all. Religious perspectives, whether they are fundamentalist Christian, Islamic, Honjo-Congo, Apache, Hindi, Shinto or any of the thousands of other interest groups, should have no particular sway, via OUR TX DOLLARS,
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I agee with you here.
btw... to promote their interests. When they then proceed to try to inflict those ancient and illogical, disproven ideas through forcibly / legislatively "interrupting" the high-school Science Curriculum for their own personal agenda, that has to be stopped.
Gay marriage will not damage this nation. It will only damage the imaginary superiority of your mean-hearted and vengeful religious agenda, your holier-than-thou perspective!
Tell me exactly, and how: which modern gay and ethical couple, dedicated to each other's health, happiness and success, has damaged you in any way? THen it'll be my turn to tell you how (and how often..)
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I am not against gay marriage. I agree with you here.
Christianity has physically and emotionally damaged countless young men and women, corrupted their ability to think rationally, and to be skeptical thinkers in an increasingly crase and greedy world [greed per se not being limited to the secular world, btw....)
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Evidence please.
Wrong. Seems you cannot read, or perhaps it's a comprehension issue? "[the First Amendment provision prohibits the federal and state governments from establishing an official religion, or from favoring or disfavoring one view of religion over another.]"
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I agree. But my faith can influence my politics, even if I held an office. There is no amendment against that.
Which means the government cannot favor the RC Church or the Mormon church or Satanic Revellers or Presbyterians or The Crystal Cathedral..... against, say, a strict Atheist perspective or no perspective at all. You do not HAVE to become a member of any church in this country! But creating "Faith-based initiatives" that spend MY TAX DOLLARS is, in fact, supporting the intendee's (*G.W. Bush in this case...) desire to support his particular godly ministery's efforts to bolster public involvment, mostly in Texas...
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I agree. I am against "Faith-based Iniatives." As a Catholic, what faith-based charity or group I want to support should be up to me.
Sorry: no tax moneys spent on any religious bias. Now do you understand this critically important Amendment?
And we can utilize the bible, the Qu'Ran, my own diaries, Hitler's Mein Kampfe, Stalins' insane mumblings, or Malcolm X's equally "rantageous" tripe, to support our ideas. We also can't use the publically funded Federal or State governments or any of their vast organizations, abilities or branches to do it!
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I agree.
Using these pervasive abilities to manipulate (TV & Radio media, newspapers, Time or Newsweek Magazines, for another means, or bloviating mindless radio talk shows to man-handle the listener's mind!) is unConstitutional! Hands off our tax monies!
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Manipulate? Prove this please.
As for you staunch and devout theists: stop day dreaming about taking over the minds and spiritualities of the general public. T'ain't gonna happen, ever!
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Who claimed this?
Remember: the days of a frightened religious society all obediently bound for church on Sundays in order to guarantee their death-bed Salvation, and not doubting anything their ranting and railing preacher yowls on about, are over real soon!
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This shows a lot of ignorance and sterotyping. Please prove that that "society" didn't really believe in God? And didn't make up their own minds to do so.
Science-based education and reality thinking is rapidly taking hold, church attendance [i](and it's associated tit better-educated young people are increasingly skeptical of wild-eyed ranting and parrotting old preachers. Soon those old hard-core preacher types will find themselves run out of town on a rail! And not a moment too soon either!
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Just all hate here and no evidence to support any of this...blah, blah, blah...
Peace to all!
Sure, how can there not be peace after a post like this?
They can if they want. It doesn't bother me. But so what? Why can't a politician do that? Just do what you're doing and voice your opposing view. It's a free country.
because its crass and cynical , politicans who try and allign themselves with jesus always co-opt their own world outlook with jesus , thats what i meant by certain republicans claiming that jesus had the same politics as ronald reagan
not that ive anything against ronald reagan but they were very different people
Republicans/Conservatives (which aren't always the same) agree with this.
im talking about the american GOP party
btw , im not a socilist myself ( think its impractical ) but i can recognise socilist leanings when i see them and jesus illustrated them on many levels
and i doubt he would support women hating,racism,discrimination,screwing the poor and greed..so you're right he probably wouldn't have voted at all.
I'm a conservative, and I don't support any of those things. Neither do any of the other conservatives I know. Where on earth did you get that opinion from?
I say vote for who supports your values the most, regardless of which party they belong to.
They support giving to the poor, too. Just because they don't want government to do it, doesn't mean they are against it in general.
btw , im not a socilist myself ( think its impractical )
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I know.
but i can recognise socilist leanings when i see them and jesus illustrated them on many levels
Where? Quote the parts where Jesus explicitly says it is the State's job to "redistribute wealth to the less fortunate." I don't consider people with means to give to the poor a Socialist teaching.
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And which war was fought over theology? The Revolutionary War? Nope.
... Which wars were fought over theology? Please name them and provide evidence that it was indeed theology that the war was about. (We all know about the Crusades, you can leave those out.)
Kosovo.
Evidence? Muslims fighting Christians, one side even names themselves the 'Christian Forces' to make it clear to everyone. American MSM decided on renaming Muslims to 'Ethnic Albanian'. A few approached me and asked me who Ethnic Albanians were, they had no idea.
I have been listening to Dr Tony Evens during my lunch break and his sermons have been about who we should vote for in the next election. Specifically he thinks we should vote for who GOD would want to fill the position. I am not sure about how to take this (i.e. Is GOD interested in who we vote for, and would GOD vote for someone?) , but I am curious how other people feel about this and who they think God would want to be president.
That is correct. But who "God wants" is not the same sort of person you might think.
Once man sins, it goes into saving stage. There is the redemption part of it and then, once recieved, the bearing witness/ awaiting eternity stage.
The way God works out the saving stage is: whoever is ordained by God to bring about His overall plan is the one who will lead. If His people go astray, He brings about an equally insufficient person to lead them, since He is a gracious God and that is what we wish for.
But, there is more of the world than us; so, if we DO worship Him, it doesn't mean the ordained leader will correspond to US.
So, if you vote, vote ONLY out of the overflowing of worshipping God, not some formula from your head.
Who God wants might be an Obama-type, even though he hates God. why? Idk. But one reason seems to be so the world might see their shame.
Pray to see what you should be concerned about in voting. I am concerned about the souls of people, so I am willing to vote for a less competant person if it serves the purpose. But, what I will do I don't know, since I haven't recieved God's word on this issue yet.
Let everything you do PROTRUDE out of worship of God.
Evidence? Muslims fighting Christians, one side even names themselves the 'Christian Forces' to make it clear to everyone. American MSM decided on renaming Muslims to 'Ethnic Albanian'. A few approached me and asked me who Ethnic Albanians were, they had no idea.
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I'm a conservative, and I don't support any of those things. Neither do any of the other conservatives I know. Where on earth did you get that opinion from?
I say vote for who supports your values the most, regardless of which party they belong to.
beside fox news, republican officials,donald trump,rush limbaugh, the politics and controversies forum, and tax cuts for the rich.. i have no idea where i could have got that idea from
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