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The question is: For Christians who have been called to not marry, is a "civil union" practical between two brothers-in-christ or two sisters-in-christ since a civil union is not a marriage? Your thoughts.
There is an enormous difference between what society calls a "civil union",
and what religious call "marriage".
The first is a man made institution. The second was instituted by God.
If two celebate christians of the same sex wanted a contractual agreement that would protect their joint property rights and inheritance, then I'd have no problem with a "civil union"
Homosexual Christians do not exist. Those two terms are mutually exclusive. The Bible so clearly condems homosexuality that the question posed is ridiculous.
The Bible clearly condemns sin. By your logic, I suppose Christians do not commit sins either.
I don't believe God is in favor of or against taxation or universal healthcare or civil unions or private school vouchers. These are all secular issues, not moral issues. Quite frankly, I cannot understand why two single Christians of the same gender would choose to enter a civil union, but that is not the point.
What God cannot tolerate is sin, which is why we (sinners) need salvation through Christ Jesus. That is a moral issue.
If two celebate christians of the same sex wanted a contractual agreement that would protect their joint property rights and inheritance, then I'd have no problem with a "civil union"
The question is: For Christians who have been called to not marry, is a "civil union" practical between two brothers-in-christ or two sisters-in-christ since a civil union is not a marriage? Your thoughts.
Domestic Partnerships and Civil Unions were designed to mirror Heterorsexual Marriage ,,,with all of the rights and benefits and sexual activity of Marriage. The definition of Marriage in America is the same as in the New Testament of the "Bible" one Man in a Contract with one Woman called a Marriage , all other Sexual Contact is Sin be it Adultery or Fornication.
Last edited by Howest2008; 03-27-2008 at 01:42 AM..
My thought is...so what do monogamous homosexuals do if they want the same benefits and rights under the law as married couples? As citizens of America, they are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness just like str8 people. They more than likely wont be happy knowing that they live in a country where should one of them become ill, the other has virtually no rights regarding medical care (as one example).
Also, regarding your vote on civil unions, how would anyone know, enforce or police the fact that the union stays platonic?
Secular law and God's Law are not the same. Homosexuality is an abomination in God's eye. You cannot be a Christian and continue immoral sexual practices without grieving the Holy Spirit.
Secular law and God's Law are not the same. Homosexuality is an abomination in God's eye. You cannot be a Christian and continue immoral sexual practices without grieving the Holy Spirit.
Apparently you haven't been to my church. Or the many other churches that aren't into finger pointing, Bible literalism, bigotry, and extremism.
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but it's just that - an opinion. You have no right to say who is/isn't or who can/cannot be a Christian or any other religion.
The OP seems to be asking about universal health care and other benefits not afforded to minority members of society. Instead of working against one another, as so often happens in these forums, we should be working to address these socio-cultural inequalities in our society. Whether it is a moral, Christian, human, or other living value, the limitations of not having these same protections for all persons becomes clear. There is a division between the haves and the have-nots and we should act to circumvent the dimunition of others by spurious laws and actions that become exclusive from the majority of the population.
Have we become so mighty and righteous that we forget to afford opportunities for the least of these, however they come to us? This is not an admonition for or against any group but for decency. Or have we designed that our approach in these matters is to divide, dissemble, demoralize, and create a polarity which no human can overcome and over which there will never be compromise?
Homosexual Christians do not exist. Those two terms are mutually exclusive. The Bible so clearly condems homosexuality that the question posed is ridiculous.
I think that Christian homosexuals exist, just as Christian liars and Christian adulterers exist. The Bible states that God hates all of those things. However, we are also a fallen people who are tempted to do all sorts of things. Many Christians are unable to fully obey the call of God. So someone can accept Jesus's sacrifice as a gift of salvation and still sin and participate in homosexual relations. Someone can definitely be a practicing Christian and struggle with homosexual temptations... choosing to not participate in homosexual acts does not make them automatically heterosexual, but it does show that they are, in obedience to God, not sinning with their body.
As far as the civil union between platonic friends... why would this even be considered?
I'm sure there are millions of gay christians. It's not like there has ever been a single christian who has not sinned. It's not like there aren't christians who watch porn every single day and entertain all kinds of lustful thoughts, who will still have the opportunity to enter heaven. What is it about homosexuality that causes christians to think it is some sort of Super-Sin? It's all sin. A christian might pray: "Lord help me with my urge to watch porn twenty times a day. I know it's wrong but I cannot stop." This might go on for years. A homosexual christian might pray "Lord I know, but I cannot change." Again, are they doomed to hell? Are you really so disgusted that you cannot stand to see them in the same heaven your sinful ass will get into? Any of us placed before God right now would be unworthy to even be there.
What... Is the point of this thread? I still. Have not. Figured it out. A civil union between two heterosexual christians. Ok. I don't think I've ever thought about it or heard about it.
On a side note.... 4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally." 6 So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7 and said, "Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! 8 See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof."
Does anyone realize how absolutely whacked that is?? Can you imagine "all the people from every quarter" standing outside your door filled with lust, and you say to your daughters "Jessica! Sarah!@ Get off that couch and get outside and let these men have their way with you!"
Apparently you haven't been to my church. Or the many other churches that aren't into finger pointing, Bible literalism, bigotry, and extremism.
You're certainly welcome to your opinion, but it's just that - an opinion. You have no right to say who is/isn't or who can/cannot be a Christian or any other religion.
Have you ever read these verses?
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Sounds pretty clear from over here. BTW thats not my opinions is the Holy Spirit's. Don't like it take it up with him.
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You say Adultery I'll Say Fornication
