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Old 06-12-2012, 11:47 PM
 
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Answer this about The Medium 0f En Dor.

1 Sam.28:7-These scriptures state that she
brought the Prophet Samuel to speak to Saul.

Is this the truth of God's WORD
that the Medium really did as these Scriptures say?

Or, was it just written by a Scribe as, of what they believed?
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:44 AM
 
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Answer this about The Medium 0f En Dor.

1 Sam.28:7-These scriptures state that she
brought the Prophet Samuel to speak to Saul.

Is this the truth of God's WORD
that the Medium really did as these Scriptures say?

Or, was it just written by a Scribe as, of what they believed?
She was a woman with a **familiar spirit**. What **appeared** to be Samuel was in fact just a familiar spirit. Saul could not see this spirit which was familiar with Samuel.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:14 AM
 
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She was a woman with a **familiar spirit**. What **appeared** to be Samuel was in fact just a familiar spirit. Saul could not see this spirit which was familiar with Samuel.
The Scriptures say it was Samuel not just a familiar spirit that appeared to be Samuel.
1SAM 28:12 "And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why have you deceived me? for you are Saul." When the real Samuel appeared she knew then it was Saul who had come to see her and she cried with aloud voice because she actually saw Samuel who had come to speak to Saul. All that Samuel said at that encounter came true as the evidence that it was Samuel the true Prophet that God had allowed to appear. It was God not the women that made Samuel appear for the last time just pryer to Saul death and tell of Sauls' end. His end was to go where Samuel was, which was to Heaven, in spite of his disobedience of a sin unto death in his case. Even Moses sinned a sin unto death of disobedience as he was taken before he could enter the promised land of Israel but he also went to Heaven.

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Old 06-13-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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She was a woman with a **familiar spirit**. What **appeared** to be Samuel was in fact just a familiar spirit. Saul could not see this spirit which was familiar with Samuel.
Brovo! Thank you.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:12 AM
 
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Garya, it could not literally be Samuel since the Bible says that when a person dies the spirit goes to God who gave it and the person is dead as in D-E-A-D, unconscious dead, the opposite of life kind of dead. The bible says there is no knowledge or divising of anything in death. It could only be Samuel as represented by a familiar spirit which only the witch could see.

Where do you read that Moses went to heaven? Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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Garya, it could not literally be Samuel since the Bible says that when a person dies the spirit goes to God who gave it and the person is dead as in D-E-A-D, unconscious dead, the opposite of life kind of dead. The bible says there is no knowledge or divising of anything in death. It could only be Samuel as represented by a familiar spirit which only the witch could see.

Where do you read that Moses went to heaven? Nothing could be further from the truth.
There is no knowlege of anything or divising in this world but they are not dead. They live unto God in a differant world of pure spiritual life.

MT 17:1-3 "And after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, and brought them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him."

Peter was told not to say anything of what he saw until after the resurrection because one can not appreciate the event without the Spirit who speaks from Heaven.
MT 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."

MT 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

The Mt. of Transfiquration as it is called was a type of the heavenly Mt. Zion where all now, not just Moses and Elias, meet with Jesus and "talk" with Him!
HEB 12:22-25 "But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel. See that you refuse not Him that speaks. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him that speaks from heaven:

If you truely believed these things then you would have great joy as I do. It is impossible to have such joy if you do not beleive what the Scriptures say of these things.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Where do you read that Moses went to heaven? Nothing could be further from the truth.
Agree, Eusebius. God bless and peace.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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~ So if you believe the false doctrine
that "(ALL) Scripture" Is THE Infallible, Inerrant WORD 0f God?

Then you also believe the false doctrine
that The Medium 0f En Dor did have power over God's Prophet Samuel.

Gee, how sad to believe any Medium has power
to call even us up from the dead!
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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~ So if you believe the false doctrine
that "(ALL) Scripture" Is THE Infallible, Inerrant WORD 0f God?

Then you also believe the false doctrine
that The Medium 0f En Dor did have power over God's Prophet Samuel.

Gee, how sad to believe any Medium has power
to call even us up from the dead!

What is sad is that you put so much effort into using every nit you can imagine ... into your false (deceived) efforts to prove that "No scripture is inspired by God ... or represents the infallible, inerrant WORD of God!"
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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There is no knowlege of anything or divising in this world but they are not dead. They live unto God in a differant world of pure spiritual life.

MT 17:1-3 "And after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, and brought them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him."
It was just a ***vision***. Jesus told the disciples to tell no one of the vision till later.

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Peter was told not to say anything of what he saw until after the resurrection because one can not appreciate the event without the Spirit who speaks from Heaven.
MT 17:9 "And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."
Right, "Tell the **vision** to no man.

Do you think when Peter saw the vision of a sheet coming down out of heaven containing all kinds of unclean animals that they were literally there in front of him?

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MT 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
If you will kindly note the context to Matthew 22:32 which you quote above it was said by Jesus to prove one had to be resurrected from the dead and be brought to life.

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The Mt. of Transfiquration as it is called was a type of the heavenly Mt. Zion where all now, not just Moses and Elias, meet with Jesus and "talk" with Him!
HEB 12:22-25 "But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the Heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel. See that you refuse not Him that speaks. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from Him that speaks from heaven:

If you truely believed these things then you would have great joy as I do. It is impossible to have such joy if you do not beleive what the Scriptures say of these things.
Moses and Elijah are still dead. Dead as a doorknob. They've been dead since the day they died. "David's tomb is with us to this day" Peter said. The only time we meet the Lord is when the dead in Christ rise and we, the living, meet Him AT THE SAME TIME.
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