Any Jehovah Witnesses on here? (hell, doctrine, woman, churches)

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

If you confess Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that GOD has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved...

John 2:19-21. God did raise Jesus from the Grave. Jesus raised his own temple along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. All three members of the Godhead are attributed toward the resurrection.

John 8

23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

As demonstrated, Jesus Christ, is transcendent. Only one is transcendent and that is God.


Matthew 18:20

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


This not only demonstrates Jesus is God, but that he is not the Archangel Michael as the Watchtower teaches. Angels have locality.

[Sheila Renae]

Originally Posted by jerseygal4u

I just need to ask a question. It isn't one that is slamming or anything.

I spoke with a JW(I studied with her) and she said that when you are trying to
become a JW that the devil will try to discourage you and that he is the ruler of the world.
I wonder does it include this: it just seems people who don't know me make comments about me.
Case in point: if I'm walking down the street, someone will shout something mean to me,for no apparent reason other than because its me. Or the cashier that greets everyone in the store but me. There could be hundreds of people around in a concertbut somehow it seems the trouble makers find me.
Its like people see something about me.


For the last 16 years I have been using Jehovah in my prayers,the way JW instructed me to.
Does he control the people who are of this world?

I'm sorry that you have been treated this way. I am not Jehovah witness. But when they come knocking on my door, I throw it open wide and invite them in---gives ME opportunity to share my beliefs and faith. I've had one fellow that's been back three times--I think we are friends. The first thing he ever said to me was--There is no Trinity. I said, "You are right, there is no Trinity, but God is the head, brain, and life of His body of believers and His name is Jesus Christ." Since then we both pull out our Bibles and try to convince each other of who is wrong and who is right. I love this kid. He's a sweetheart. He's caught me in p.j.'s twice--didn't stop me.
With Love and prayers
Yeshua Bless You

[Barbara M Wheeler]

It is in fact the BIBLE that says that Satan is the ruler of the world...
The Bible identifies him, saying: “The one called Devil and Satan . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth.”—1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9.
So it is not that Jehovah's Witnesses say it.... the bible says it. The witnesses just speak the truth from the bible.
Jesus said that to be set free from the lies of Christendom we must remain in his word, which means to follow his commandments..
(John 8:31, 32) And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.”
(John 14:15-17) 15 “If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; 16 and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. YOU know it, because it remains with YOU and is in YOU.

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by Barbara M Wheeler

It is in fact the BIBLE that says that Satan is the ruler of the world...
The Bible identifies him, saying: “The one called Devil and Satan . . . is misleading the entire inhabited earth.”—1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9.
So it is not that Jehovah's Witnesses say it.... the bible says it. The witnesses just speak the truth from the bible.
Jesus said that to be set free from the lies of Christendom we must remain in his word, which means to follow his commandments..
(John 8:31, 32) And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.”
(John 14:15-17) 15 “If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; 16 and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. YOU know it, because it remains with YOU and is in YOU.

JWs might be right about Satan being the ruling spirit of this World, but they are wrong about a bunch of other things. The most dangerous lie is one that is 99 percent truth, 1 percent lie with the 1 percent being foundational.

The Lord Jesus is not the Archangel Michael but is YHWH God incarnate. Jesus is transcendent. Angels have locality. Satan goes to and fro seeking whom he can devour. We learn in the book of Job he enters and leaves. Angels in the book of Daniel had to travel from one point to another.

Please people stay away from the Watchtower organization and do some research before making your decision.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Mikelee81

JWs might be right about Satan being the ruling spirit of this World, but they are wrong about a bunch of other things. The most dangerous lie is one that is 99 percent truth, 1 percent lie with the 1 percent being foundational.

The Lord Jesus is not the Archangel Michael but is YHWH God incarnate. Jesus is transcendent. Angels have locality. Satan goes to and fro seeking whom he can devour. We learn in the book of Job he enters and leaves. Angels in the book of Daniel had to travel from one point to another.

Please people stay away from the Watchtower organization and do some research before making your decision.

Agreed

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by Mikelee81

JWs might be right about Satan being the ruling spirit of this World, but they are wrong about a bunch of other things.

Their fatal error is their belief about Jesus, an error they share with Mormans and Moslems, that Jesus is a created being and not God. You can't be saved by believing on a "Jesus" that is not God.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

Their fatal error is their belief about Jesus, an error they share with Mormans and Moslems, that Jesus is a created being and not God. You can't be saved by believing on a "Jesus" that is not God.

Yes.. it comes down to Jesus.

Jesus is either a liar, lunatic or LORD (Jehovah) as he claimed to be.

[Barbara M Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Mikelee81

JWs might be right about Satan being the ruling spirit of this World, but they are wrong about a bunch of other things. The most dangerous lie is one that is 99 percent truth, 1 percent lie with the 1 percent being foundational.

The Lord Jesus is not the Archangel Michael but is YHWH God incarnate. Jesus is transcendent. Angels have locality. Satan goes to and fro seeking whom he can devour. We learn in the book of Job he enters and leaves. Angels in the book of Daniel had to travel from one point to another.

Please people stay away from the Watchtower organization and do some research before making your decision.

Jesus never professed to be God Almighty and he never attempted to claim to be equal to his father. (John 14:28) 28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.
He always has been and is obedient to his Father in heaven and has always been united or at one with him in God’s works of righteousness. Because they were in harmony together Jesus could say: “I and my Father are one.” (John 10:30) But he did not mean that they were one person. It would be foolish to say that, since later we find Jesus praying to his Father in these words: “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”—Matt. 26:39
(John 17:20-22) 20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. 22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.
See the difference...? He is not saying he is God or is equal to God. It is Satan setting himself up as a God, not Jesus Christ.

[Barbara M Wheeler]

Originally Posted by jerseygal4u

I just need to ask a question. It isn't one that is slamming or anything.

I spoke with a JW(I studied with her) and she said that when you are trying to
become a JW that the devil will try to discourage you and that he is the ruler of the world.
I wonder does it include this: it just seems people who don't know me make comments about me.
Case in point: if I'm walking down the street, someone will shout something mean to me,for no apparent reason other than because its me. Or the cashier that greets everyone in the store but me. There could be hundreds of people around in a concertbut somehow it seems the trouble makers find me.
Its like people see something about me.


For the last 16 years I have been using Jehovah in my prayers,the way JW instructed me to.
Does he control the people who are of this world?

When we pray we must work in harmony with our prayers. (1 Peter 4:19) 19 So, then, also let those who are suffering in harmony with the will of God keep on commending their souls to a faithful Creator while they are doing good.
We must make the necessary adjustments in our lives to bring them in compliance with bible standards and laws and principles. (Luke 15:7) 7 I tell YOU that thus there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner that repents than over ninety-nine righteous ones who have no need of repentance.
We can not pray to Jehovah and continue a wayward course in life. And I am not saying you are leading a wayward life style at all. I do not know you. I am merely stating that we, (all of us) must give him something to bless. (Malachi 3:10) . . .Jehovah of armies has said, “whether I shall not open to YOU people the floodgates of the heavens and actually empty out upon YOU a blessing until there is no more want.”
The more we strive to bring our lives into compliance with his righteous standards, be more he has to bless. I hope this makes sense for you jerseygal. If you have studied that long, then I am certain you get the point of what I am saying.
Please, do not be put off by those not understanding the way of the truth. They really just don't know, just as the soldier who recognized the Christ at the time of his death, try not to let them dissuade you from seeking the truth. (Luke 23:47-49) 47 Because of seeing what occurred the army officer began to glorify God, saying: “Really this man was righteous.” 48 And all the crowds that were gathered together there for this spectacle, when they beheld the things that occurred, began to return, beating their breasts. 49 Moreover, all those acquainted with him were standing at a distance. Also, women, who together had followed him from Gal′i·lee, were standing beholding these things.

[snowdenscold]

Originally Posted by Barbara M Wheeler

Jesus never professed to be God Almighty and he never attempted to claim to be equal to his father. (John 14:28) 28 YOU heard that I said to YOU, I am going away and I am coming [back] to YOU. If YOU loved me, YOU would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.

Not sure why all the "you"s are capitalized. Anyway, are you going to go on an explain (because it's always fun to see the fun translations games that occur) John 1:1, John 8:58, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Cor. 4:4, Col. 2:9, Tit. 2:13, etc, etc.

He always has been and is obedient to his Father in heaven and has always been united or at one with him in God’s works of righteousness. Because they were in harmony together Jesus could say: “I and my Father are one.” (John 10:30)

Sounds like spin to me.

But he did not mean that they were one person. It would be foolish to say that, since later we find Jesus praying to his Father in these words: “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”—Matt. 26:39

This is a misrepresentation of the Trinity. Properly explained, the above passages fit fine.

(John 17:20-22) 20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. 22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.
See the difference...? He is not saying he is God or is equal to God. It is Satan setting himself up as a God, not Jesus Christ.

No, I don't see the difference. What's amazing about the Trinity is that there's relationship and unity at the same time.