Any Jehovah Witnesses on here? (Mormonism, scripture, praying, disciples)

[snowdenscold]

Because if he wasn't claiming to be God, they wouldn't be picking up rocks to stone him...


To answer your other question, it's because there is both relationship and unity within the Trinity. Yes, that's somewhat of a mystery - how they are of the same essence but have difference enough for relationship - but best describes the revelation of the NT nonetheless.

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

And it is not just JWs that do not believe in a Trinity, also, there is the Oneness Pentacostals that do not believe in a trinity...

In light of this, how can one say that Yeshua was HaShem in the flesh?:

Joh_8:54 Jesus answered, `If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who is glorifying me, of whom ye say that He is your God;
Joh_20:17 Jesus saith to her, `Be not touching me, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father; and be going on to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and to your God.'

Now, how can Yeshua have a God, and be God?...At the same time?...

Apparently when Jesus was on earth he "disrobed" from his glory as God giving it all to the Father. Jesus' ministry on earth is believers ultimate example. He came as a humble servant.

He's coming back as the "alpha and the omega" (book of Revelation). He says HE is the first and the last.

Jesus is God, disrobed of his glorying through entering it as Messiah, and received back up in Glory.

How can Jesus have a God and be God at the same time? The Godhead. Three persons in one God. The second person of the Godhead Jesus Christ disrobed of his glory to enter the Creation as a Man to redeem it back to God (The Father, Himself, and the Holy Spirit.)

I think the best way to describe the Godhead is with the triple point of Water. The same entity co-existing in three phases.




Ice could be a type of the Father (solid, strong,)

Water a type of the Son (the phase that is drunk for nourishment)

Vapor a type of the Holy Spirit (dispersed knowing the water there)

contrived but I think the triple point is a good representation of how we as Man can attempt to understand an infinite God.

[Richard1965]

Originally Posted by Mikelee81

Apparently when Jesus was on earth he "disrobed" from his glory as God giving it all to the Father. Jesus' ministry on earth is believers ultimate example. He came as a humble servant.

He's coming back as the "alpha and the omega" (book of Revelation). He says HE is the first and the last.

Jesus is God, disrobed of his glorying through entering it as Messiah, and received back up in Glory.

How can Jesus have a God and be God at the same time? The Godhead. Three persons in one God. The second person of the Godhead Jesus Christ disrobed of his glory to enter the Creation as a Man to redeem it back to God (The Father, Himself, and the Holy Spirit.)

I think the best way to describe the Godhead is with the triple point of Water. The same entity co-existing in three phases.




Ice could be a type of the Father (solid, strong,)

Water a type of the Son (the phase that is drunk for nourishment)

Vapor a type of the Holy Spirit (dispersed knowing the water there)

contrived but I think the triple point is a good representation of how we as Man can attempt to understand an infinite God.

I know about the triple point where all three states exist simultaneously...But, was Yeshua HaShem from birth?...

[Mikelee81]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

I know about the triple point where all three states exist simultaneously...But, was Yeshua HaShem from birth?...

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

John 3

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Apparently the Lord Jesus came down from heaven while at the same time was in Heaven. The incarnation of the Creator God into the womb of Mary at conception delivered into the World with the Virgin Birth. Disrobed from his Glory as the Son of God entering his Creation as the Son of Man.

That's how I view it.

[RobinD69]

Originally Posted by jerseygal4u

I just need a JW to explain it to me why people do bad things to me,and I've been praying to Jehovah and studying with Jw.
Is it becuase I'm praying and trying to get closer to Jehovah?

Is the devil somehow,since he rules the world, using those people to do things to me,just because I'm trying to get closer to Jehovah?

Or is that's just the way of the world?

The closer you try to get to God the more Satan tries to stop you whether yo be JW, Catholic, Mormon, Baptist or any of the many denominations whether fringe or otherwise, all that matters is a deeper relationship with the Lord and Satan is afraid of that and he has plenty of help to try and stop you.

[Barbara M Wheeler]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

Their fatal error is their belief about Jesus, an error they share with Mormans and Moslems, that Jesus is a created being and not God. You can't be saved by believing on a "Jesus" that is not God.

Then the "fatal error" is from scripture Bideshi....New World Translation (Colossians 1:13-15) 13*He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14*by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. 15*He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Colossians 1:13-15
King James Version (KJV)
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:13-15

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love,
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins;
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

So do you dare say the scriptures are lying? May be before you stand in judgment of us you find the facts from the bible as we have.
Sincerely,
Jehovah's faithful servant girl.

[Mr. Opinionated]

Originally Posted by jerseygal4u

I spoke with a JW(I studied with her) and she said that when you are trying to become a JW that the devil will try to discourage you and that he is the ruler of the world.
I wonder does it include this: it just seems people who don't know me make comments about me.
Case in point: if I'm walking down the street, someone will shout something mean to me,for no apparent reason other than because its me. ...For the last 16 years I have been using Jehovah in my prayers,the way JW instructed me to. Does he control the people who are of this world?

Yes by creating negative influences all over the world. And just as a master criminal often takes pride in boasting about his power, so did the Devil when tempting Jesus, the Son of God. After showing Jesus “all the kingdoms” of the world, Satan made him this offer: “I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.”— Luke 4:5-7.
In the book of Revelation, the apostle John relates how Jesus, as Michael the archangel, defeats the Devil and his demons and tells of the disastrous consequences resulting from their expulsion from heaven. We read: “Woe for the earth . . . because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.” But how has the Devil shown this anger? Well, just as many desperate criminals follow the policy of ‘rule or ruin,’ the Devil and his demons are determined to bring the earth and its inhabitants to ruin with them. Knowing that his time is short, the Devil has been using one of the key elements of human society under his control—big business—to promote a frenzied spirit of consumerism, which leads to depletion of natural resources and destruction of the environment worldwide, thus threatening humanity’s survival.—Revelation 11:18; 18:11-17.


And even though most of us today enjoy relative freedom to preach and to meet together peacefully, we must take to heart the Bible’s reminder that “the scene of this world is changing.” (1 Corinthians 7:31) Things can change so swiftly that unless we are prepared mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, we can easily stumble. What, then, can we do to protect ourselves? A powerful line of defense is first to pray as you have been, and to keep clearly in mind why peace-loving and law-abiding Christians are hated and persecuted.


Remember also Proverbs 27:11 as apostates and those who disrespect others faith insult and slander you: “Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me.” Yes, it is because of the age-old issue of universal sovereignty. In spite of the mountain of testimony provided by all those who have proved their integrity throughout the centuries, Satan has not stopped taunting God as he did in the days of the righteous man Job. No doubt, Satan has become even more frantic in his last-ditch effort to prove his claim, now that God’s Kingdom is firmly established, with loyal subjects and representatives around the earth. Will these remain faithful to God regardless of what adversity and hardship may come upon them? This is a question that each person who wishes to serve God must answer personally.

[Falcon60]

Originally Posted by jerseygal4u

I just need to ask a question. It isn't one that is slamming or anything.

I spoke with a JW(I studied with her) and she said that when you are trying to
become a JW that the devil will try to discourage you and that he is the ruler of the world.
I wonder does it include this: it just seems people who don't know me make comments about me.
Case in point: if I'm walking down the street, someone will shout something mean to me,for no apparent reason other than because its me. Or the cashier that greets everyone in the store but me. There could be hundreds of people around in a concertbut somehow it seems the trouble makers find me.
Its like people see something about me.


For the last 16 years I have been using Jehovah in my prayers,the way JW instructed me to.
Does he control the people who are of this world?

My understanding is that Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to read Christian literature. It is highly unlikely that they would be on a forum such as this one.

The Bible does say that satan is the god of this world, but God is in complete control.

[jojo-50]

Originally Posted by Richard1965

And how can you be so sure?..

Which comment are you responding to with your question? If it’s concerning satan , God’s words shows just how he is; And what he’s aiming to do. Satan is a low-down wicked cowardly, fallin angel. Who’s taking it out on mankind, (Rev. 12:12 ), because he KNOWS he can’t touch Jehovah God. This is why God warns us to be award , and guard ourselves from satan’s tricks, (Ephe. 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles, (tricks) of the devil). Satan know’s he’s going down, and he’s planning on taking as many of us as he can.

Satan IS the ruler of this world, he proved this when he tried to get Jesus to worship him , (Matt. 4:1-11). Though Jehovah God allowed satan’s wicked government, (because it DOES have some beneficial factors), mankinds governments will be done away with ,(Dan.2:44). Satan’s governments isn’t a righteous one, even though many claim JESUS, their actions shows SATAN. The same can be said for many who choose to say they follow Jesus, they are still straddling the fence. Many are upset when they here this, but if they keep it real, they know ,(those who’s doing these things), they’re committing abominating acts.

If it’s what she said concerning Jws, “telling the truth”, this is what I tell many. We are imperfect people who STILL… have personal fights. In our congregations, (a few sisters), comes women cattiness. Because many were catty before they came in, So we’re NO better than those who isn’t. This is because they came out of the world as they were. Jehovah God wants this, (NOT the cattiness), we coming as we are. because he knows if we, (as many have said), “I want to wait until I stop cussing, gambling” ,etc., it might be TOO late!, (Pro. 1:28-32 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me. For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD. They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them).

I’m sure there are some who puff themselves up with pride, because being imperfect, Something we SHOULDN’T do. And some might be so happy to be serving Jehovah God, that they may speak , before even learning, (usually those who’s in study), But the teachings has to be true and God’s word. How is she so sure?, speaking as a group of followers of Jesus, and NOT for the individual. We don’t put ANYONE, before Jesus teachings ,(Luke 21:16,17, Luke 14:26). We take No part in the ways of the world, pres. Day, holidays, voting, etc. because this would mean we love the world more that God ,(1John 2:15,16) ,Jesus and his followers didn’t ,John 17:16.

Though we love all, we can’t condone wicked actions ,(Exo. 23:1,2), God didn’t just mean evil as in a crime, but as in living a way unpleasing to God. We try hard to do the will of the God of Israel. Because we know it’s HE would we should worship, not Jesus, though we love him ,(Matt.7:21). We acknowledge the name he allowed humans to use ,(Exo.6:3). Even Jesus showed he made his Father’s name known. And it was to those who ALREADY worship the God of Israel, but just didn’t know his name ,(John 17:6-8 I have manifested, (to make known, show, display), thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me).

we know those who claim to speak to the dead, isn’t a gift from God, (Deut. 18:10-12 , 2King 21:6). We KNOW satan’s every trick ,(2Cor. 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices). NOT because we’re something special, we’e NOT. It’s just because we choose to TRY and serve the Jehovah God, Regardless of the outcome. Meaning I may STILL be destroyed and many of us WILL! But, I don’t serve Jehovah God because I’m afraid of him. I do it because I truly love him and his son. I also am a witness to him being there for me more than ANY human, including family, And I mean in a spiritual sense.

Though when I felt like I was about to go under, he pulled me up just above water level. So Many such as myself, KNOW we don’t have that Heavenly calling, as many believe they do. But we hope that Jehovah God favors us, so that we may benefit from the gift he gave us through his son Jesus. Which is everlasting life on a renew earth ,(Psa. 37:9-11 ,[SIZE=3][/SIZE]Micah 4:4,4). This is how she’s so sure, peace

[lmustbe]

Originally Posted by Follower Of X

jerseygal read the bible for yourself. Stay away from JW's.

You are so right, I have been a christian for all of my life and JW come to my door and try to convert me, after years of closing the door, I decided to sit with them to hear what they have to say, and ohhhh boy why the heck did, I do that? I stayed calm and spoke through love with scripture back up in the Kings J Version. They went from being so nice to so dark and mad. So many things wrong with there Theology it was scary, so they got up and left after trying to double team me, I then started to feel weird after they left, next I found my self so spirtualy sick, my husband came home from work and saw how , I was and started rebuking and blessing the house. I had to seek advice on what the Hell just happened and sure enough, relized they left such a darkness with me, that it made me sick.
JW are very dark and if you never felt spiritualy sick, I don't suggest anyone ever let them in your home and especially never let them pray to there Jehovah good, while they are in your home either. They are lost and all you could do is pray they find the truth, don't be mean to them just pray for them.
God is about love not a whole bunch of rules and regulations. If you believe he died for you and your sins then Heaven, shall await you.