Wake Up, America! We Are Israel! We Have Lost Our Identifying Sign -- God's Seventh Day Sabbath! (doctrine, Revelation)

[tthttf]

Originally Posted by RevelationWriter

Yes, the Scriptures of Revelation that I gave proves Ver 22 as in Revlation.

BUT, Ver 23 God goes back to talk about Jerusalem from Ver 10 which is the subjuct matter, skipping ver 22. As their rengeration will always remain before Him.

God then picks up talking about Jerusalem again.
NOT NEW Jerusalem from new moon to new moon and sabbath to Sabbath.

I disagree with your explanation. God has never made a direct statement that His Sabbaths will be done away with. The ending of the Sabbaths is only through your human reasoning.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his [God the Father's] commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

[RevelationWriter]

Originally Posted by tthttf

I disagree with your explanation. God has never made a direct statement that His Sabbaths will be done away with. The ending of the Sabbaths is only through your human reasoning.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his [God the Father's] commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The Greek New Testament doesn't agree with you:

"Blessed are they that WASH their Robes
that they may have the right to the tree 0f Life
and enter by the Gates into The City" - Rev.22:14

Who will Wash their Robes?
"The Great Multitude which no one can number
of ALL nations, Tribes, peoples, and Tongues. - Rev.7:9,14

[jghorton]

tthttf - You seemed to be on a scripture-based 'roll' there for a while ... but, then, you suddenly inserted this:

"We, the Anglo-Saxon white English-speaking people of America and Great Britain and all her Commonwealth nations are the leading nations of the lost ten tribes of Israel. We have possessed the great wealth and the gates of our enemies and other blessings promised to birthright descendents of Abraham because of our sins.:"

Can you explain your thinking? (It somewhat detracts from what otherwise seems like a pretty credible post).

[Trance750]

Originally Posted by jghorton

tthttf - You seemed to be on a scripture-based 'roll' there for a while ... but, then, you suddenly inserted this:

"We, the Anglo-Saxon white English-speaking people of America and Great Britain and all her Commonwealth nations are the leading nations of the lost ten tribes of Israel. We have possessed the great wealth and the gates of our enemies and other blessings promised to birthright descendents of Abraham because of our sins.:"

Can you explain your thinking? (It somewhat detracts from what otherwise seems like a pretty credible post).

I think he may be referring to a popular theory that America/Great Britian are the descendants of the children of Joseph

[twin.spin]

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.



What Paul wrote to the Galations still holds true today

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?...Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”

[tthttf]

Originally Posted by jghorton

tthttf - You seemed to be on a scripture-based 'roll' there for a while ... but, then, you suddenly inserted this:

"We, the Anglo-Saxon white English-speaking people of America and Great Britain and all her Commonwealth nations are the leading nations of the lost ten tribes of Israel. We have possessed the great wealth and the gates of our enemies and other blessings promised to birthright descendants of Abraham because of our sins.:"

Can you explain your thinking? (It somewhat detracts from what otherwise seems like a pretty credible post).

I don't think I can do it in one post. It would take many posts. I have compressed what took one book to fully explain down into 2 sentences.

Unless you have specific questions, I will have to give you a link to the book I used as reference to write that.

But here is a brief explanation:

Basically, Joseph was to received the birthright blessings. He was to receive a double portion so Jacob placed his hands on the heads of his two sons Manasseh and Ephraim if you know the story (see Gen 48).

Manasseh was the first born and Jacob placed his left hand on his head and he was prophesied to become a great nation (the USA).

Ephraim was the second born and Jacob placed his right hand on his head and he was prophesied to become a company of nations (Great Britain and all the nations in her Commonwealth = a company of nations).

The descendants of these two went into the Assyrian captivity around 721-718 BC and eventually migrated northwest along with the Assyrians who finally settled in Germany. The Israelites migrated on further settling in northwestern Europe with Ephraim and Manasseh finally settling in the British Isles along with the tribe of Dan (Ireland). Then Manasseh (white English-speaking Anglo-Saxons) separated from Ephraim and became the great single nation America. While the other colonies became a company of nations aligned with Britain as prophesied in Genesis.

So, the white English-speaking Anglo-Saxon people in America and Great Britain are the actual descendants of Joseph. We are the leading nations of the House of Israel and have received the material blessings that were prophesied to be given to the descendants of Abraham. The House of Judah which includes Levi, Benjamin as well as Judah was blessed with the spiritual blessing of Jesus Christ who was a descendant of King David.

These two (Ephraim and Manasseh) did possess the gates of their enemies which today are some of the world's greatest sea and land gates or as some call them global "choke points" --the Panama Canal, the Suez Canal, the Strait of Gibraltar, etc.

They possessed between them the largest amount of the world's wealth and resources which the book points out from statistics. According to the book, world petroleum output in 1950 was almost 3,800 million barrels. And of this total the United States together with the British Commonwealth produced 60% of the crude petroleum, not including our vast foreign investments. This and other statistics are given to show just how much of the world's wealth we possessed at one time.

We the white Anglo-Saxons in America and Great Britain are the descendants of Joseph and because of our sins against God, we are now being stripped of these great birthright blessings and will soon be destroyed and our survivors taken into captivity once again.

I hope this helps to explain some of what I have written but this book takes over 180 pages to explain it all.

http://www.cog-web-svc.com/hwa/books...df/britain.pdf

[Verna Perry]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.



What Paul wrote to the Galations still holds true today

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?...Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”

COLOSSIANS 2:16

Whenever the question of the Sabbath is discussed, those who do not keep it holy will inevitably appeal to Colossians 2:16 as their authority for disobeying the fourth commandment of God.

What exactly did Paul mean when he wrote:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:" (KJV)

Yes, when Paul said "Sabbaths" he meant the seventh day Sabbath - but that does not mean that Paul was canceling the requirement for obedience to a commandment of God. What God has commanded only God can set aside. One may search the New Testament for a thousand years and he will not find a single verse that says God has abrogated one "jot or tittle" of His fourth commandment.

What then was Paul talking about when he said to let no man judge you in respect of Sabbaths? When we look at this verse in its context it soon becomes apparent that Paul was warning about the "Colossian Heresy" which was another gospel based on asceticism and the worship of angels in order to gain assistance from cosmic powers. The essence of this heresy was that Christ alone was not sufficient to deliver us from our slavery to sin.

As you will see from the following verses, Paul was warning against three things that were being added to the gospel.

1. Traditions of men.

2. The worship of angels.

3. Submitting to doctrines of men.

COL 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

COL 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:

COL 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

COL 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using AFTER THE COMMANDMENTS AND DOCTRINES OF MEN?

KEEPING THE SABBATH DAY HOLY IS NOT A DOCTRINE OF MEN!

Paul was not doing away with God's commandment; he was warning against the false teachers who were saying that if believers did not eat and drink the right food and keep the festivals, new moons and Sabbaths ACCORDING TO CERTAIN HUMAN REGULATIONS they would lose their reward.

According to verse :23 below, they were teaching that without these ascetic regulations one could not overcome the flesh:

COL 2:23 These [DOCTRINES OF MEN] have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting rigor of devotion and self-abasement and severity to the body, but they are of no value in checking the indulgence of the flesh. (RSV)



One commentator summed up these verses by saying:

"We conclude then that in verse :16, the warning is not against the Sabbath, festivals and dietary laws as such, but rather against those who promote these practices as indispensable aids to Christian perfection and as needed protection from the 'elements [evil spiritual forces] of the world' thus denying the all sufficiency of Christ."

(Samuele Bacchiocchi, From Sabbath To Sunday)



Now really, doesn't that explanation make a lot more sense than the notion that Christians are no longer required to obey the fourth commandment? It is a true saying that: "The commandment is not nullified by the condemnation of its abuse.".

The question we need to ask is this: "Was Paul condemning the Sabbath day, or was he CONDEMNING THE DOCTRINES OF MEN who added ritualistic and ascetic restrictions to faith in Christ?"

In order to answer that dispute, one must look at the broad picture. There is not a single verse in the
New Testament which states that Paul taught a new doctrine that canceled the Sabbath commandment; nor is there any record of a controversy between the Jews and Gentile Christians over Sabbath-keeping. If Paul had been teaching that the Sabbath commandment had been repealed, it would have split the church wide open and he would have had to answer the objections continuously in his epistles.

Think about it - if the Jewish believers made such a fuss about circumcision being optional, imagine what they would have said about the Sabbath day being revoked.

At some point we must use common sense and reason to interpret what has been written. For example, does "Let no man judge you in meat and drink..." mean that Christians can be drunkards? Of course not, because you know that God's word forbids drunkenness. Well, it also forbids Sabbath-breaking!

It is only logical to assume that if God was going to cancel one of His commandments, he would make that fact very clear. Surely, if someone said to you: "Let no man judge you in respect of murder or adultery" you would not assume that God had changed His mind about those sins without solid
proof. Certainly, you would demand more evidence than one lonely verse in the book of Colossians. Or would you?



NOTE:

In addition to the Greek and Latin manuscripts of the New Testament, there is a third text called the Pe****ta. The Pe****ta is from ancient Eastern manuscripts written in Aramaic, the natural language of Jesus. Hebrews 4:9 in the Pe****ta text reads:



"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath."



Amen.

[snowdenscold]

Really? British Israelism? Kinda makes it hard for me to take your argument about the Sabbath (which I would disagree with regardless) seriously.

“When reading Anglo-Israelite literature, one notices that it generally depends on folklore, legends, quasi-historical genealogies and dubious etymologies. None of these sources prove an Israelite origin for the peoples of northwestern Europe. Rarely, if ever, are the disciplines of archeology, sociology, anthropology, linguistics or historiography applied to Anglo-Israelism. Anglo-Israelism operates outside the sciences. Even the principles of sound biblical exegesis are seldom used, for...whole passages of Scripture that undermine the entire system are generally ignored...Why this unscientific approach? This approach must be taken because to do otherwise is to destroy Anglo-Israelism's foundation.”
- Orr, Ralph. "The United States and Britain in Prophecy: An Analysis of the Biblical Evidence"

[tthttf]

Originally Posted by snowdenscold

Really? British Israelism? Kinda makes it hard for me to take your argument about the Sabbath (which I would disagree with regardless) seriously.

I believe what was written in the book I gave as a reference to be true.

Not what other authors may have written about British Israelism.

There are plenty of scriptures to support what was written in that book if anyone would take time to read it instead of letting others decide whether they should or not.

I can explain it a bit at a time, but the book does a much more thorough job.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

COLOSSIANS 2:16

Whenever the question of the Sabbath is discussed, those who do not keep it holy will inevitably appeal to Colossians 2:16 as their authority for disobeying the fourth commandment of God.

What exactly did Paul mean when he wrote:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:" (KJV)

Yes, when Paul said "Sabbaths" he meant the seventh day Sabbath - but that does not mean that Paul was canceling the requirement for obedience to a commandment of God.

For good reason... because we are no longer under law but grace.

Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:10
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”


Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Paul never stated not to disregard the Ten Commandments. There are three sets of laws of Moses

1. Civil
2. Ceremonial (worship laws)
3. The Ten commandments

The laws Paul was speaking about were the ceremonial laws which were ones that instructed how\when one was supposed to worship. We are no longer required to remember "when and how".

The OT Jews were limited to just once a week on a specific day. In Jesus, he is our sabbath day for he gives us rest.

Matthew 11:28
“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

The NT Christian keeps the commandment by remebering Jesus whenever they gather together; be that on Sunday (to honor the day of the ressurection when the disciples meet together) or on an evening during the week .... or both.