Wake Up, America! We Are Israel! We Have Lost Our Identifying Sign -- God's Seventh Day Sabbath! (spiritual, Biblical)

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by tthttf

I have warned you repeatedly to keep God's Commandments and His Sabbaths.

I follow God, not you, and not false teachers like Armstrong.

You are the one who is not heeding the warning even though I have repeated it over and over.

Again, it is God I follow, not you. The old law is gone, and new law was put in its place.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete;

[SAAN]

Originally Posted by tthttf

No!

You have put down Mr. Armstrong and the organization that he was the pastor general of.

You act as if you are Christ, judging me and my affliation.

We keep the Commandments of God and many of us do have the "faith OF Jesus" as evidenced in the fact that we can follow James 5 and many of us have the "faith OF Jesus" to be divinely healed.

We tithe and keep the Sabbaths and Holy Days of God and not pagan holidays such as Christmas, Easter, etc.

Apparently you are not reading the Bible enough or else you would see that Mr. Armstrong taught the scriptures correctly and you and your fellow accusers are NOT!

Wake UP!!!!

Who are you to accuse anyone on this forum of judging you, when all you do is come on here and judge and condemn everyone else that doesnt share your view. You spread false doctrine that promotes self rightouesness and try to get people to focus on the 10 commandments only and if they are keeping all 10 they will be right with God, rather than focus the entire Bible and loving one another. The bible also calls on us to submit to authority obey the law of the land as well, you do know when you break those laws you are sinning against God as well. Im pretty sure you get in your car and speed over the posted limit and think nothing of it, yet that is breaking a law in it self.

Proverbs 6

16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.



Verse 19 fits you perfectly!




You seem to worship Mr Armstrong just as much as Jesus, so please examine yourself and what you write and say before you point out everyone else faults.

[tthttf]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

I follow God, not you, and not false teachers like Armstrong.

Again, it is God I follow, not you. The old law is gone, and new law was put in its place.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete;

God corrects me if I break His Commandments.

Herbert W. Armstrong was NOT a false teacher. He taught that we should keep the Commandments of God just as Jesus Christ taught. He kept the same day of rest that Christ kept -- the Seventh Day Sabbath, etc, etc...

And the marriage agreement was made obsolete but not the spiritual laws that were requirements of maintaining that original marriage agreement.

It is still a sin (transgression of God's Law) to murder, commit adultery, break God's Seventh Day Sabbath, etc.

Your mind is enmity against God and you actually hate God and all His Commandments if you read the scriptures concerning your attitude. (Romans 8:7, 2 Samuel 12:7-10)

Paul kept the Commandments and he kept the Sabbaths if you truly read the Bible with an open mind.

You misrepresent Paul with the claims you are making.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by tthttf

Your mind is enmity against God and you actually hate God and all His Commandments if you read the scriptures concerning your attitude. (Romans 8:7, 2 Samuel 12:7-10)

Comments like this is the reason why I told you that you are a divisive person, who comes here only to judge, mock and to stir up fights. Such attitude is the fruit of Armstrongism, and the opposite of the fruit of the Spirit.

No further comments.

[tthttf]

Originally Posted by SAAN

Who are you to accuse anyone on this forum of judging you, when all you do is come on here and judge and condemn everyone else that doesnt share your view. You spread false doctrine that promotes self rightouesness and try to get people to focus on the 10 commandments only and if they are keeping all 10 they will be right with God, rather than focus the entire Bible and loving one another. The bible also calls on us to submit to authority obey the law of the land as well, you do know when you break those laws you are sinning against God as well. Im pretty sure you get in your car and speed over the posted limit and think nothing of it, yet that is breaking a law in it self.

Proverbs 6

16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.



Verse 19 fits you perfectly!




You seem to worship Mr Armstrong just as much as Jesus, so please examine yourself and what you write and say before you point out everyone else faults.

No, God's Word is judging you. If you break God's Commandments they will break you. And I have not put down your minister. You and others are the ones who is attacking me and my beliefs.

[tthttf]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Comments like this is the reason why I told you that you are a divisive person, who comes here only to judge, mock and to stir up fights. Such attitude is the fruit of Armstrongism, and the opposite of the fruit of the Spirit.

No further comments.

What I wrote is the Truth. Your mind is hostile to God and His Commandments. I am only divisive for those who want to break God's Commandments.

[SAAN]

Originally Posted by tthttf

No, God's Word is judging you. If you break God's Commandments they will break you. And I have not put down your minister. You and others are the ones who is attacking me and my beliefs.

I have nothing against you cerebrating feast days, since it would be hypocritical to say you should not do them and i turn around and celebrate easter and christmas. But it is the way you approach and comment and throw condemnation at people is what you need to work on.

As for the Sabbaths, how can you even do half of the feast days now since they were ceremonial and require sacrifices. And the bible make it clear you must do a very specific list of things on these days to make it holy and honor it. And the O.T. is a entire unit in which you must do it all or none at all, you cant pick and choose how you want to do things your way.


Numbers 29


The Festival of Trumpets

“‘On the first day of the seventh month hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. It is a day for you to sound the trumpets. 2 As an aroma pleasing to the Lord, offer a burnt offering of one young bull, one ram and seven male lambs a year old, all without defect. 3 With the bull offer a grain offering of three-tenths of an ephah[a] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil; with the ram, two-tenths[b]; 4 and with each of the seven lambs, one-tenth.[c



The Day of Atonement

7 “‘On the tenth day of this seventh month hold a sacred assembly. You must deny yourselves[e] and do no work. 8 Present as an aroma pleasing to the Lord a burnt offering of one young bull, one ram and seven male lambs a year old, all without defect.

The Festival of Tabernacles

12 “‘On the fifteenth day of the seventh month, hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. Celebrate a festival to the Lord for seven days. 13 Present as an aroma pleasing to the Lord a food offering consisting of a burnt offering of thirteen young bulls, two rams and fourteen male lambs a year old, all without defect. 14 With each of the thirteen bulls offer a grain offering of three-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with oil; with each of the two rams, two-tenths;



-Since we must keep the feast days according to you, where do you plan to get your bulls from for your sacrifice on these days. It is very clear they were ceremonial and no longer required after the cross, except passover since he did say to remember the passover. But one will not be doomed for observing christmas and easter instead of doing the holy sabbaths. We are not the nation of Israel, no matter what you think.


Deuteronomy 5

New International Version (NIV)

The Ten Commandments

5 Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors[a] that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:
6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.



-It is very clear who the commandments were given to and why he gave it to them. Like ive said before the bible is a book of covenants with there own signs. Noah's sign was the rainbow, Abraham's sign was circumcision, Moasic sign was the Sabbaths, and the New Covenant sign is the holy spirit that seals us.

[tthttf]

Originally Posted by SAAN

I have nothing against you cerebrating feast days, since it would be hypocritical to say you should not do them and i turn around and celebrate easter and christmas. But it is the way you approach and comment and throw condemnation at people is what you need to work on.

As for the Sabbaths, how can you even do half of the feast days now since they were ceremonial and require sacrifices. And the bible make it clear you must do a very specific list of things on these days to make it holy and honor it. And the O.T. is a entire unit in which you must do it all or none at all, you cant pick and choose how you want to do things your way.

Numbers 29

The Festival of Trumpets

“‘On the first day of the seventh month hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. It is a day for you to sound the trumpets. 2 As an aroma pleasing to the Lord, offer a burnt offering of one young bull, one ram and seven male lambs a year old, all without defect. 3 With the bull offer a grain offering of three-tenths of an ephah[a] of the finest flour mixed with olive oil; with the ram, two-tenths[b]; 4 and with each of the seven lambs, one-tenth.[c

The Day of Atonement

7 “‘On the tenth day of this seventh month hold a sacred assembly. You must deny yourselves[e] and do no work. 8 Present as an aroma pleasing to the Lord a burnt offering of one young bull, one ram and seven male lambs a year old, all without defect.

The Festival of Tabernacles

12 “‘On the fifteenth day of the seventh month, hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. Celebrate a festival to the Lord for seven days. 13 Present as an aroma pleasing to the Lord a food offering consisting of a burnt offering of thirteen young bulls, two rams and fourteen male lambs a year old, all without defect. 14 With each of the thirteen bulls offer a grain offering of three-tenths of an ephah of the finest flour mixed with oil; with each of the two rams, two-tenths;

-Since we must keep the feast days according to you, where do you plan to get your bulls from for your sacrifice on these days. It is very clear they were ceremonial and no longer required after the cross, except passover since he did say to remember the passover. But one will not be doomed for observing christmas and easter instead of doing the holy sabbaths. We are not the nation of Israel, no matter what you think.

Deuteronomy 5

New International Version (NIV)

The Ten Commandments

5 Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors[a] that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:
6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

-It is very clear who the commandments were given to and why he gave it to them. Like ive said before the bible is a book of covenants with there own signs. Noah's sign was the rainbow, Abraham's sign was circumcision, Moasic sign was the Sabbaths, and the New Covenant sign is the holy spirit that seals us.

No!

You are getting commandments confused with covenants.

And you are ignoring the fact that sacrifices were not part of the original Old Covenant (Exodus 20-23) but were added later with the one exception, the Passover (Ex 23:18). And the Passover is the only sacrifice that is part of the New Covenant and it has been changed to the symbols of the bread and wine.

Jer 7:22
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

In the New Covenant we are commanded by Christ to observe His death each year, which we do substituting the bread and wine for the lamb. We are not commanded to observe Christ's resurrection, I hope you will notice.

"Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm."

The Sabbath was made holy at the time of Creation and all men are to keep this day holy to honor the Creator. Holy time is holy time. And Christ said the Sabbath was made for man. The Sabbath was made for all mankind and not just the Jew.

As part of the marriage agreement with ancient Israel, the Ten Commandments are part of the agreement they were to obey but that does not do away with the Commandments once the agreement has been broken.

And you ignored Exodus 20's version:

Exodus 20:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

We are all to hallow God's Holy Sabbath.

Acts 17:30
"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:"

So, repent of breaking God's Commandments and Holy Sabbaths.

God is going to send plagues on nations, even Gentile nations, if they do not repent.

Look what happens when even Gentile nations refuse to keep one of God's annual Festivals listed in Leviticus 23:

Zechariah 14:
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

God has not changed. We are to keep God's Commandments and Sabbaths both weekly and annual.

If you refuse to repent God will punish you. If you still refuse to repent you will thrown into the Lake of Fire and die the 2nd death.

The choice is yours, choose life.

[K4DL]

It's funny that no biblical author thought the church was Israel! In fact Paul often compares the two showing the difference. This is nonbiblical, man-made doctrin. It is for those who have "itching ears" who prefer mans doctrine over God's.

Nothing Personal!

[Oleg Bach]

The war cry called out by the AMERICAN revolutionaries was "No King but Jesus" .... There was no call for King David who was a rascal..nor was their any beseeching of Solomon. America was built on Jesus and on the all mighty GOD...all the rest is common fanatic thinking. The ancients are dead- gone into oblivion..The only survivor is Christ..He is the only one who is to this day capable of living in the hearts and minds of living men. The living count- the dead- they sleep and know nothing- and besides...The whole concept layed out here is so complex that it is troubling...Christianity is not a religion- Christ had no use for religion and tradition...Christianity is a state of mind- a private and powerful relationship with GOD- through his helpful son Jesus.

All this other stuff - has been kicking around for years..and parroted about uselessly- The solution is simple- NOT about tradition and ritual...or complexity that every so-called Christian scoundrel can hide in..

Christ is the door..to the house of God--------pass through and do not listen to this propaganda- God is not about this..GOD is about goodness and continued life..........Historically...if all this stuff is true- so what.......The past is dead...time to live.