
08-20-2012, 05:30 AM
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Many years ago, the nation of Israel was united under King David and his son Solomon. Because of Solomon's sins, the nation was divided into two separate nations, the northern part known as the House of Israel and the southern part known as the House of Judah.
The House of Israel starting with King Jeroboam committed terrible sins of idolatry and Sabbath breaking. As a result, God caused the House of Israel to be carried away captive by the Assyrians around 721-718 B.C. supposedly lost from view of the world forever.
The House of Judah, the Jewish people today, were also taken into captivity about 130 years after Israel, but were later restored. The Jews, unlike the House of Israel, have never lost God's sign of identity - God's Seventh Day Sabbath and the annual Holy and Special Days for the worship of God as well. Because of this, many people believe today that the Jews are all of Israel.
Now, God had promised Abraham great spiritual and material blessings. The spiritual blessings were to come through the House of Judah - Jesus Christ. The great material blessings were to come through the House of Israel. The birthright blessings which were normally given to the first-born male which was Reuben were given to Joseph instead because of Reuben's sexual misconduct. And so, the birthright blessings were given to Joseph's descendants.
The descendants of Joseph's two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, who received the birthright blessings according to the scriptures were to be blessed by God with good soil, rain, and other physical blessings to make them exceedingly wealthy. Because of Abraham's obedience and for this reason only, they were to be the most materially blessed race of people on this earth. They were to multiply in number as the stars of heaven. Also, they were prophesied to possess the gates of their enemies (narrow passages such as the Panama Canal, Gibraltar, Suez Canal, etc).
We, the Anglo-Saxon white English-speaking people of America and Great Britain and all her Commonwealth nations are the leading nations of the lost ten tribes of Israel. We have possessed the great wealth and the gates of our enemies and other blessings promised to birthright descendents of Abraham because of our sins.
But we Anglo-Saxons and the rest of the world look on ourselves as Gentiles and not Israel. Why? Again, we lost our identifying sign. And just why is keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath so important?
God had made a Covenant with ancient Israel. It included the Ten Commandments and civil statutes and judgments as we read in Exodus 20-23. In Exodus 24 this marriage agreement between God and the tribes of Israel was made. Israel agreed to obey God. However, we read about a separate eternal covenant was given in Exodus 31. This was a repeat of the one of the commands in the original covenant but here it is made a special eternal covenant outside the original agreement. This covenant actually identifies God's people both spiritual Israel as well as physical Israel.
In Exodus 31 we read:
(12) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
(13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
(14) Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
(15) Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(16) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
(17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Notice the words "for a perpetual covenant." The Sabbath is to be kept today. God's spiritual Law is still in effect. It was not done away when the marriage agreement with ancient Israel ended. Only the animal sacrifices and other physical carnal rituals ceased to be required and not the Ten Commandments or the civil statutes and judgments that are a magnification of the Ten Commandments. We have lost this identifying sign to actually identify to all the world that we the physical birthright descendents of Abraham who are the recipients of all the wealth and blessings that were promised by God to Abraham millennia ago.
In Exodus 31 this special perpetual covenant actually identifies us as the people of God.
If you read in the Bible of how the House of Israel which became the lost ten tribes committed the two cardinal twin sins of Sabbath breaking and idolatry, you will understand that God who has fulfilled his promise to bless the descendents of Abraham is now going to punish us for the very reason that Israel was taken into captivity by the ancient Assyrians around 721-718 B.C.
We need to repent as a nation along with all of Great Britain and her Commonwealth nations as well as the other lost ten tribes which are in the nations of northwestern Europe today.
America is about to be destroyed as a nation and our survivors taken captive and sent into other nations according to the prophecies in the Bible! We need to repent of all of our sins and keep God's Holy Sabbath as well as God's annual Holy Days and special days of observance listed in the Word of God. See Leviticus 23 for a complete list.
WAKE UP, AMERICA!! We need to repent of all our sins and keep God's Commandments and keep His Seventh Day Sabbath and annual Holy Days! And let us also make sure that we put away whatever idols we have set up to worship instead of the true God! Repentance is what our nation needs most of all today! We need to repent!!
Again, I say, WAKE UP!! Return to God before it is TOO LATE!!
May God grant you eyes to see and understand this...
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08-20-2012, 05:37 AM
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It is interesting to me that Joseph and Benjamin, Rachel's only two sons, had more blessed lives than Leah's sons. It may have been that rather than Reubens sins. Just a thought.
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08-20-2012, 06:45 AM
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Amen tthttf ! What you offer is TRUTH ! SOUL SAVING TRUTH ! TRUE LOVE ! AMEN !
Let us consider what Paul taught about the Ten Commandments. Here, Paul clearly states that Jews and Gentiles have a duty to obey The Ten Commandments under The New Covenant:
"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but {what matters is} the ***KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD."*** 1 Cor 7:19
Look! Paul is teaching us that the Jews [circumcision] and Gentiles [uncircumcision] MUST keep the Commandments of God!
Here is another verse:
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: **yea, we establish the law. *** Romans 3:31 (KJV)
Paul taught that we cannot be forgiven (justified) by any law; but once forgiven, we must obey The Ten Commandments. Furthermore, the scriptures teach that if gentiles are not of Israel --then they have no hope ...
"That at that time ye [Gentiles] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, HAVING NO HOPE, and without God in the world" Eph 2:11-12
The New Covenant (that was established with the blood of Christ) is with the house of Israel and the house of Judah:
"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with **the house of Israel and with the house of Judah**
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; **I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people,**" Heb 8:8-10
THE OLD COVENANT WAS WITH ISRAEL AND WAS WRITTEN IN STONE
THE NEW COVENANT IS WITH ISRAEL AND IS WRITTEN IN THE HEART
BUT THE COMMANDMENTS REMAIN THE SAME
Today, Gentiles and Jews, who have faith in Jesus Christ are the Israel of God. The Ten Commandments (including the Sabbath Commandment) are no longer written on tables of stone, but are now engraved upon the hearts of the people of God.
We MUST obey The Ten Commandments and the teaching of Jesus --and our salvation DOES depend upon that obedience. Jesus Christ, The Judge, gives his last warning to the churches:
"Blessed are they that DO his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." Rev 22:14-15 (KJV)
Except for a remnant of faithful believers, ancient Israel was cut off from God because of their unbelief * (disobedience). The people who are joined to the New Covenant must never be high-minded and disobey God --for God is no respecter of persons!
Note:
"Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of **unbelief** they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.
Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF THOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF. Rom 11:19-22
* unbelief (#570) apaistia = unfaithfulness (disobedience)
Amen.
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08-20-2012, 07:02 AM
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Jesus gave us only two commandments, to love one another, and to spread the Gospel. We are freed from the law.
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08-20-2012, 07:08 AM
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My idenity is of being 'Christ-like'.
My goal is to abide in Jesus, not Israel.
Jesus defended His Disciples for harvesting grain in a field on a Sabbath to eat. - Matt.12
The blessing of Abraham was before The 10 Commandments given to Moses.
The Children 0f Israel?
Will be 144,00 0f ALL The Tribes 0f Children 0f Israel. - Rev.7
God knows who they are.
Their not lost; as they'll follow The Lamb where ever He goes. - Rev.14
It is Abraham who is the father of Many nations (not All nations), the Nations of Ishmael.
As well as the Land of Cannan being of 7 Nations God destroyed gaving to the Tribes 0f Israel by alottment. - Lev.25:38 - Acts 13:19
Jacob/Israel is not the father of Many Nations.
Christ is 'The Last (Adam)'. - 1Cor.15:45
Adam and Abraham had no Sabbath with God.
Jesus said, He fullfilled The Law. Jesus said, He finished God's work.
Jesus didn't destroy God's work. Jesus finished it. He completed it.
When one fullfills the requirments in finishing a work.
There's no need to 'keep' working to finish the requirements there of.
Now as the Adam did at first and The last Adam we enter into His rest.
Which is not one day of 7.
Jesus said He went to The Father House, heavenly Jerusalem to make it NEW.
And in New Jerusalem there is
no need of the Sun nor of the Moon to shine. - Rev.7:16 - Rev.21:23 - Rev.22:5
New Jerusalem has it's foundation stones name after The 12 Tribes 0f Israel. - Rev.21
New Jerusalem has the 12 Gates 0f The 12 Tribes 0f Israel. with their 12 abgels at each of their gates.
The 144,000 0f All The Tribes 0f Israel will enter their own Gate
when they follow The Lamb into New Jerusalem. - Rev.14 - Rev.21
There will be no need for a 7th day Sabbath rest for anyone in New Jerusalem.
As they will not be able to know if it's day or night in New Jerusalem.
When New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God,
New Jerusalem will come through a New Heaven to a New Earth with no sea. - Rev.21
The first heaven will be passed away.
No Sea > No Tide? No Moon? No night. No 7th day Sabbath. Even for The 12 Tribes 0f all the Children of Israel.
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08-20-2012, 07:14 AM
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"There will be no need for a 7th day Sabbath rest for anyone in New Jerusalem.
As they will not be able to know if it's day or night in New Jerusalem."
God's Word says differently:
Isaiah 66
Ver 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Ver 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
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08-20-2012, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bideshi
Jesus gave us only two commandments, to love one another, and to spread the Gospel. We are freed from the law.
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Read and learn what Jesus meant by "those two commandments"......
Antinomians say that faith renders the Christian free from obligation to obey the Ten Commandments, and is in itself sufficient for salvation. According to them, Jesus taught that loving God and our neighbor replaces our duty to obey The Ten Commandments.
This is the scripture that they use to support their heresy:
"Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:35-40
Jesus didn't replace The Ten Commandments with those two precepts of love. With them, He established The Ten Commandments as The Royal Law of God by which all men will be judged. Friends, it is impossible to love God, or our neighbour, without obeying The Ten Commandments!
Here, John tells us HOW to love God:
"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." I Jn 5:3
In his answer to the lawyer, Jesus quoted directly from Deut 6:5-6 where it tells us HOW MUCH we are to love God. We read:
"And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words [The Ten Commandments], which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart ..."
Jesus is teaching us to obey The Ten Commandments with all our hearts ... That is HOW MUCH we are to love God!
Now, let us consider the second precept of love "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself".
These commandments also show us our duty to God. They pertain to our relationships with other people: Honor your father and mother. Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Thou shalt not covet ...anything that is thy neighbours.
Again, it is impossible to love our neighbor and disobey those commandments. In his answer to the lawyer, Jesus establishes The Ten Commandments by quoting from this Old Testament Scripture:
"Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise REBUKE thy neighbour, and not suffer SIN upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, BUT THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF: I am the LORD. Lev 19:17-18
Jesus is teaching us to correct the brother who is disobeying The Ten Commandments -- That is the scriptural example of "loving thy neighbour as thyself."
Amen.
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08-20-2012, 08:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tthttf
"There will be no need for a 7th day Sabbath rest for anyone in New Jerusalem.
As they will not be able to know if it's day or night in New Jerusalem."
God's Word says differently:
Isaiah 66
Ver 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Ver 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
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Yes, the Scriptures of Revelation that I gave proves Ver 22 as in Revlation.
BUT, Ver 23 God goes back to talk about Jerusalem from Ver 10 which is the subjuct matter, skipping ver 22. As their rengeration will always remain before Him.
God then picks up talking about Jerusalem again.
NOT NEW Jerusalem from new moon to new moon and sabbath to Sabbath.
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08-20-2012, 09:00 AM
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Romans 7
King James Version (KJV)
1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
"The Law" which is defined as including "thou shalt not covet" which is one of the 10 Commandments is what the Holy Spirit says those in Christ are "dead" to.
Those that are Justified by Faith in Christ that are still trying to be Saved by their performance of "keeping" the 10 commandments are deemed Adulterers spiritually. We are not married to the Law but married to each other.
The Law focuses on self and one's selfish covetous desire to "get" to heaven. Grace focuses on others in sacrificial love service because there is nothing one can do to "get" to heaven except God's free gift of life through Christ by his Grace. With the indwelling Holy Spirit the believer can overcome the flesh nature (Galatians 5) by walking in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Being a "good person" to "get" to heaven is humanism. The Gospel of Grace leaves mankind out of the equation. We can not take one step to save ourselves. Just as the thief on the cross, we are 100 percent helpless to help ourselves. We can only receive God's free gift of Grace. Those regenerate "Keep" Christ's Commandments in their heart producing fruit. Some fruit is 30, 60, 100 fold. Rewards will be given for more fruit. Loss will result from poor performance. (1 Corinthians 3)
Christians will not be giving themselves high fives in Heaven because they were capable by their own efforts to get there.
"The Law" was given at Mount Sinai to Moses.
John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
"The Law" was given 430 years after Abraham
Galatians 3:17
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Exodus 12:41
And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt.
"The Law" is defined as being given by a mediator at Mount Sinai.
Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Acts 7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
"The Law" initiated at Mount Sinai at the giving of the Ten Commandments. "The Law" (which includes "thou shalt not covet) CURSES mankind because mankind can not keep it.
Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Those that are Justified by Faith in Jesus Christ have been redeemed from the Curse of the Law.
Those preaching that one becomes Justified by Faith which includes "Keeping the 10 Commandments" for Justification are preaching a false gospel which has a CURSE on it.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
"The Law" is defined as including "thou shalt not covet" (i.e. Ten Commandments) Romans 7.
Sin is clearly defined throughout the Bible. Believers are to strive against sin and be vessels unto good works depending on the Holy Spirit. As for the Sabbath..
Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
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08-20-2012, 09:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bideshi
Jesus gave us only two commandments, to love one another, and to spread the Gospel. We are freed from the law.
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Yes, because Jesus was the Fulfillment of the Law.
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