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Among other things. Christian women show respect for men by their manner of dress. The great St. John Chrysostom has some choice words for women whose immodesty leads men into sins of the flesh.
"You allege that you never invite others to sin. You did not by your tongue, but you have done it by your dress and deportment more effectively than you could by your voice. When you have made another to sin in his heart, how can you be innocent? You sharpened and drew the sword. You gave the thrust by which the soul is wounded.
Tell me whom does the world condemn? Whom do judges punish? Those who drink the poison, or those who prepare and give the fatal draught? You mingled the execrable cup; you administered the potion of death. You are so much more criminal than poisoners, as the death which you cause is the more terrible; for you murder not the body, but the soul.
Nor do you do this to enemies: not compelled by necessity nor provoked by any injury; but out of a foolish vanity and pride. You sport yourselves in the ruin of the souls of others, and make their spiritual death your pastime."
If women will fully obey the word, we will find that in 1 Peter 3:3-4 "Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price."
It's not the outward appearance that is so important as the hidden man inside. The woman of great price is modest inside out that is why she will not be inappropriately dressed to lead others into sin.
If women will fully obey the word, we will find that in 1 Peter 3:3-4 "Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price."
It's not the outward appearance that is so important as the hidden man inside. The woman of great price is modest inside out that is why she will not be inappropriately dressed to lead others into sin.
Amen, I say!
Yes, may woman whom profess to be true Christians, fully obey the Word of God and stop their "foolishness" as elegantly testified by Apostle Peter through the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit. This immorality is detested by Father God, because it only leads men into sins of the flesh. This immorality has exploded into unbelievable measures here in this country, and thus why this country has been detested for so many years, but also why many are drawn here to fulfill their sinful nature. Immorality infests this country, as it is the "normal" here in this country.
May woman whom profess to be true Christians let the Holy Spirit lead their lives instead of themselves. May they actually place Father God first and themselves second, or other words serve Father God instead of themselves. For it is all about Father God in the mighty name of Christ Jesus, nothing more, nothing less, nothing else!...Amen, I say!
....Peace be with you, as peace I leave you from my heart!
Among other things. Christian women show respect for men by their manner of dress. The great St. John Chrysostom has some choice words for women whose immodesty leads men into sins of the flesh.
"You allege that you never invite others to sin. You did not by your tongue, but you have done it by your dress and deportment more effectively than you could by your voice. When you have made another to sin in his heart, how can you be innocent? You sharpened and drew the sword. You gave the thrust by which the soul is wounded.
Tell me whom does the world condemn? Whom do judges punish? Those who drink the poison, or those who prepare and give the fatal draught? You mingled the execrable cup; you administered the potion of death. You are so much more criminal than poisoners, as the death which you cause is the more terrible; for you murder not the body, but the soul.
Nor do you do this to enemies: not compelled by necessity nor provoked by any injury; but out of a foolish vanity and pride. You sport yourselves in the ruin of the souls of others, and make their spiritual death your pastime."
So basically you're saying that because men won't control themselves and keep it zipped, it's all the woman's fault?
Here's some of the views of early church leaders about women. Mysogyny at it's 'finest' -just like this whole thread.
First some more 'choice words' from John Chrysostom:
John Chrysostom: (347 - 407 AD)
"It does not profit a man to marry. For what is a woman but an enemy of friendship, an inescapable punishment, a necessary evil, a natural temptation, a domestic danger, delectable mischief, a fault in nature, painted with beautiful colors?...The whole of her body is nothing less than phlegm, blood, bile, rheum and the fluid of digested food ..."
"..the male sex enjoyed the higher honor. Man was first formed"
"He wishes the man to have the preeminence in every way." "for the sex is weak and fickle".
Boethius: (c 480 - 524 AD)
"Woman is a temple built over a sewer."
Tertullian: (c 160 – 225 AD) "The curse God pronounced on your sex still weighs on the world."
"You are the devil's gateway"
"You are the first that deserted the divine laws. All too easily you destroyed the image of God, Adam".
"You led astray one whom the devil would not dare attack directly. It was your fault that the Son of God had to die; you should always go in mourning and rags."
Clement of Alexandria: (c 150 - 215 AD) "the consciousness of their own nature must evoke feelings of shame".
Augustine: (354–430 AD) "Why was woman created at all?" "Woman was merely man's helpmate, a function which pertains to her alone. She is not the image of God but as far as man is concerned, he is by himself the image of God."
"I don't see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes procreation. If woman is not given to man for help in bearing children, for what help could she be? To till the earth together? If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for man. The same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for life and conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman cohabitate?" (He sounds like a closet case to me. He and Chrysostom would have been perfect for each other )
Ambrose: (c 337- c 397 AD) "Adam was deceived by Eve, not Eve by Adam... it is right that he whom that woman induced to sin should assume the role of guide lest he fall again through feminine instability."
St Jerome: (c 347- 420 AD) "woman is the root of all evil."
"It is contrary to the order of nature and of the law for women to speak in a gathering"
Origen: (c 184 - c 253 AD) "For [as Paul declares] "I do not permit a woman to teach," and even less "to tell a man what to do."
Pope Gregory: ( 540 - 604 AD) "Woman is slow in understanding and her unstable and naive mind renders her by way of natural weakness to the necessity of a strong hand in her husband. Her 'use' is two fold; sex and motherhood."
Albertus Magnus: (c 1200 - 1280 AD) "Woman is less qualified [than man] for moral behavior. For the woman contains more liquid than man, and it is a property of liquid to take things up easily and to hold unto them poorly."
"Woman is a misbegotten man and has a faulty and defective nature in comparison to his"
Thomas Aquinas: (1225 - 1274 AD) "Woman was made only to assist with procreation."
"So by such a kind of subjection woman is naturally subject to man, because in men the discretion of reason predominates."
And of course Paul: "Now I permit a woman neither to teach nor exercise authority over a man, but let her be in quietness. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived [when he sinned]; but the woman, having [first] been thoroughly deceived, became [involved] in the transgression [of Adam].
It continued with the Protestant churches:
Martin Luther: (1483- 1586 AD) "Women should remain at home, sit still, keep house and bear and bring up children" "If a woman grows weary and at last dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing, she is there to do it." "the wife should stay at home and look after the affairs of the household as one who has been deprived of the ability of administering those affairs that are outside and concern the state…." "There is no gown or garment that worse becomes a woman than when she would be wise."
John Calvin: (1509 - 1564 AD) "All women are born that they may acknowledge themselves as inferior to the male." "the woman's place is in the home."
and these so called saints and church leaders were great men? please. they have many skeletons. our biggest enemy apart from satan is the jew. who said it?.... martin luther did. these were flawed men just like todays men. all of us. There is no reason to try to bash the women for the way they dress. Eve just wore some fig leaves.
and these so called saints and church leaders were great men? please. they have many skeletons. our biggest enemy apart from satan is the jew. who said it?.... martin luther did. these were flawed men just like todays men. all of us. There is no reason to try to bash the women for the way they dress. Eve just wore some fig leaves.
Actually before the sin she was naked. It was after the sin that fig leaves came in. Even so, fig leaves in front of your husband is fine. I believe after they sinned some animals died, blood was shed, and they starting wearing skins. Sorry if that "Torpedos" your post.
Actually, I'm not sorry about it at all. You need to study more. Lots more. Who cares what Luther said?
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What bothers me are the "idols" of Hollywood, they dress in skimpy clothes while wearing a cross on their necklaces. Can't say HYPOCRITE any more plainly than that.
So basically you're saying that because men won't control themselves and keep it zipped, it's all the woman's fault?
I was just going to say that. Just so you know OP, a woman does not make a man sin but whatever comes out of his heart. What she's wearing might be a possiblity but his lust is still his own fault.
Women in church, out of church, at work, at school, at a restaurant, at a sports event, on the computer monitor, etc, do NOT cause men to sin..Man has free will to choose to sin or not.
Eve did NOT cause Adam to sin.
He saw that the fruit (temptation,lie) looked good to eat(take in,believe) and chose to eat it.
No where does it say Eve had him in a strangle hold forcing the fruit (temptation, lie) down his throat.
Excuses, excuses for ones own choices, "The woman..She MADE me eat it"
Last edited by Miss Blue; 09-10-2012 at 01:55 PM..
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