Why was the Church instituted by Christ? (crucified, Gospel, hell)
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"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Why was Christ only sent to Israel?
Israel was to be the evangelist nation of the world, they were to bring the world (the Gentiles) to Christ.
But they failed and denied the Son of God as a nation, and still do until this very day!
Of course God knew from the foundation of the world when he planed this, that this would happen. So He also planed another way for the world to be brought to Christ, the Church.
I don't like long posts, I avoid them, so I will keep to my word and be brief with an otherwise long subject. Hopefully everyone will join in and we can see the whole picture from different perspectives.
It's for another thread, but I would like to point out that God is far from finished with Israel, in fact, they will fulfill their original calling to evangelize the world.
How is this Church to be when Israel has failed in their calling, and God has taken the torch from them?
Acts 28:28
"Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it."
This was said by the Apostle Paul, the evangelist to the Gentiles. He said it to the unbelieving Jews who had crucified Christ. Paul has washed his hands of the Jews an now sets out by the calling of the Holy Spirit to take the Gospel to the Gentile nations. He would take it first to the portions of Asia Minor.
Jesus called him "my chosen vessel" he would prove to be what the Holy Spirit called him "the Master Church builder."
He left a trail of many Churches behind Him in many cities, and from these Churches the Gospel spread throughout Europe, reaching the UK, and finally to the shores of the USA.
God's plan is progressive, incorporating certain changes over time. God himself does not change, but his plan has distinct changes which can be referred to as dispensations. The church-age is a dispensation distinct from the dispensation of Israel. The church with reference to all believers during the church-age is a new creation or new man in which both Jews and Gentiles who receive Christ as Savior are baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ. In God's plan there are Gentiles, Jews, and Church.
God is not done with Israel, but with the beginning of the church-age on the Day of Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus the body of Christ; that is, the church which is a living organism, a new creation, is being formed. I'm pre-Tribulational in my theology and hold the view that once the body of Christ has been formed, the church will be resurrected and raptured. Sometime after that the Tribulation will begin and last for seven years. Then Jesus will return and bring with him all who have died in Christ during the church-age as well as all Old Testament believers which are at the present time with Jesus in heaven.
So why the church? To bring both believing Jews and believing Gentiles together in one body as a new creation. After the church-age is complete, believing Jews will still be Jews, that is, they will still be Israel, while believing Gentiles will still be Gentiles. But for right now, at this time in human history, believing Jews and believing Gentiles are Church in which there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile.
God's plan is progressive, incorporating certain changes over time. God himself does not change, but his plan has distinct changes which can be referred to as dispensations. The church-age is a dispensation distinct from the dispensation of Israel. The church with reference to all believers during the church-age is a new creation or new man in which both Jews and Gentiles who receive Christ as Savior are baptized by the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ. In God's plan there are Gentiles, Jews, and Church.
God is not done with Israel, but with the beginning of the church-age on the Day of Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus the body of Christ; that is, the church which is a living organism, a new creation, is being formed. I'm pre-Tribulational in my theology and hold the view that once the body of Christ has been formed, the church will be resurrected and raptured. Sometime after that the Tribulation will begin and last for seven years. Then Jesus will return and bring with him all who have died in Christ during the church-age as well as all Old Testament believers which are at the present time with Jesus in heaven.
So why the church? To bring both believing Jews and believing Gentiles together in one body as a new creation. After the church-age is complete, believing Jews will still be Jews, that is, they will still be Israel, while believing Gentiles will still be Gentiles. But for right now, at this time in human history, believing Jews and believing Gentiles are Church in which there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile.
Well, we do have something in common after all, amazing, never thought it possible!
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Why was Christ only sent to Israel?
Israel was to be the evangelist nation of the world, they were to bring the world (the Gentiles) to Christ.
But they failed and denied the Son of God as a nation, and still do until this very day!
Of course God knew from the foundation of the world when he planed this, that this would happen. So He also planed another way for the world to be brought to Christ, the Church.
I don't like long posts, I avoid them, so I will keep to my word and be brief with an otherwise long subject. Hopefully everyone will join in and we can see the whole picture from different perspectives.
It's for another thread, but I would like to point out that God is far from finished with Israel, in fact, they will fulfill their original calling to evangelize the world.
How is this Church to be when Israel has failed in their calling, and God has taken the torch from them?
Acts 28:28
"Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it."
This was said by the Apostle Paul, the evangelist to the Gentiles. He said it to the unbelieving Jews who had crucified Christ. Paul has washed his hands of the Jews an now sets out by the calling of the Holy Spirit to take the Gospel to the Gentile nations. He would take it first to the portions of Asia Minor.
Jesus called him "my chosen vessel" he would prove to be what the Holy Spirit called him "the Master Church builder."
He left a trail of many Churches behind Him in many cities, and from these Churches the Gospel spread throughout Europe, reaching the UK, and finally to the shores of the USA.
You do know that there is a difference between Israel and Judah, right?...
Hello Richard, haven't heard from you for a while.
Yes, I agree, but that is for another thread.
Start it up if you like.
You brought up both Israel and Jews into the conversation, and it does seem to me very relevant to this thread the difference between Israel and Judah, and Jews
You brought up both Israel and Jews into the conversation, and it does seem to me very relevant to this thread the difference between Israel and Judah, and Jews
Hello Richard, haven't heard from you for a while.
Yes, I agree, but that is for another thread.
Start it up if you like.
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Originally Posted by Charlie24
Not going to argue, have at it if you will!
All I was saying is it’s not really for another thread
You could even try and carry on a conversation with Richard since you now have a point of agreement and see where it leads
Richard is a Jew in the USA - (the place you seem interested in)
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Originally Posted by Charlie24
Christ said in Matt. 15:24,
"But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Why was Christ only sent to Israel?
Israel was to be the evangelist nation of the world, they were to bring the world (the Gentiles) to Christ.
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He left a trail of many Churches behind Him in many cities, and from these Churches the Gospel spread throughout Europe, reaching the UK, and finally to the shores of the USA.
There's a big difference between the "church" as intended by Christ (a "body of Christ"; people united in Christ), and "church" as is the connotation today (a building with members).
Jesus authorized the former, but not the latter, which is a product of mankind.
The "church" of today will fight to protect and defend itself, and hide that it is not what Jesus wanted and directed.
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