God Commands Us to Remember the Sabbath Day, to Keep It Holy! Do You Keep God's Seventh-Day Sabbath Holy?

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

I accept your criticisms, Romulus, but I make no pretense to all-knowing, except when it comes to the love and acceptance I experienced from God by way of Jesus (Comforter). I have no doubt or uncertainty about the infinite love God has for us.

I just do not believe that obedience is the right state of mind toward God despite our ancestors' fear of God and damnation. But I accept and understand that they were taught and led to consider OBEDIENCE to commands to be important instead of attaining the proper state of mind toward God and each other.

Originally Posted by RomulusXXV

But, again you're telling everyone else that it's YOU who has attained the proper state of mind toward God while others who don’t believe as you do HAVE NOT arrived at this state of mind toward God. This DOES have a tad of arrogance about it.

Obviously, I don't know everyone in the world ...maybe some DO fear losing favor with God and ‘keep’ the 7th-day Sabbath mainly for that reason. However, that's on them. Most of those I've known within the SDA Church keep the Sabbath because they choose to …even though, as I said previously, they can’t reasonably keep it to the biblical letter. That said, every denomination appears to have among their flock one or two extremists who cause fellow members to roll their eyes with embarrassment. I've also known a few SDAs who fit that description. One such fellow would periodically place notices in the local newspaper (at great cost to himself and CERTAINLY not condoned by the church) warning 'Sunday-keepers' that they carry 'the mark of the beast'.

Tell me, Mystic, do you disregard everything in the Bible since having arrived at a place where you have attained a proper state of mind toward God? If not, then which parts DO still mean something to you? Do the Ten Commandments mean anything to you? I’m not talking about a daily need to brush up on them before stepping out the door every morning but as a set of principles to live by. Do you believe that they, as written, are sound and that it's not a bad thing to apply them to one's life ...even though most of us keep most of them without even knowing that we do?

Is there a good and sound reason why the 4th-command (that many Christians DO keep, I remind you) NEEDS to be abrogated and ignored by those who have attained the state of mind toward God that you claim to have done?

There are many, many more theologically advanced folks than I who would disagree with you.

Jesus made it clear that obedience to commands was NOT the point of the commandments when He said that all the law is encompassed in two - love God and each other. Obviously, attaining the state of mind of agape love is the desired state that was intended to be fostered by the commandments in the schoolmaster stage of our spiritual evolution. It has nothing to do with my personal opinion about what the desired state of mind is, Romulus. It is all about what Jesus described, revealed, and unambiguously demonstrated on the Cross.

It is Jesus's state of mind on the Cross that drew me to Him because it exactly matched the consciousness of God that I encountered. I read and interpret everything in the Bible through the lens of the "mind of Christ" NOT the primitive and barbaric beliefs of our ancestors in a wrathful and vengeful War God. That is what produces my different understanding of what they recorded, NOT a rejection of the Bible contents. I have no issues with those who are in the obedience/schoolmaster stage of their belief and relationship to God.

[Vf6cruiser]

Gentiles saved by grace are no longer under the law and not required to keep the holy days and requirements of old. No baptism no speaking in tongues etc...........

[Thoreau424]

That's all early, pre-Jesus teachings. Jesus - as perfectly reflecting moving beyond the law - wasn't afraid to do good on the Sabbath. That's our focus, unless you're a Jew and bound to the old, original ways.

Stay bound to the law, as before, or see your freedom to make everyday as effective as possible. And damn the naysayers, who are good for nothing anyway.

[RomulusXXV]

Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser

Gentiles saved by grace are no longer under the law ...

'Grace' WAS NOT a 'Gentile only' thing. That you don't know this is rather typical of today's 'privileged and generally lazy Christian' who doesn't feel any further obligation other than to sit in a pew and claim 'to believe'. That said, the majority of Christians DO believe that Sunday is the Sabbath and that they ARE keeping the Sabbath. Just ask them!

I can't make this point enough times until it sinks in. If Christians are 'saved by grace and not by the law' then why show obedience to a day at all? By actively honoring Sunday they are doing precisely what they claim to NOT have to do! Then they 'poo poo' others for what they are doing themselves! I'm assuming that you, Vf6, like the majority of church-goers, believe Sunday to be the Christian 'holy day' ...?

Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser

. . .and not required to keep the holy days and requirements of old.

But again, Christians ARE keeping a day ...Sunday! Are you really not catching on to what I've been attempting to say from the beginning as a response to the OP? I will say again, the average Christian is (albeit unknowingly for most of them) obediently but blindly kowtowing to a Roman Catholic mandate. As they diligently and routinely scurry off to church every Sunday (believing Sunday to be the Sabbath of the 4th command) they feel honor bound in debates such as this one to parrot the words, "Gentiles are saved by grace and are no longer bound by the law"!

Originally Posted by Vf6cruiser

No baptism no speaking in tongues etc...........

No speaking in tongues ...? Another topic to be sure but speaking in tongues is purely a man-made ruse initiated by the Pentecostal Church about a hundred years ago.