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View Poll Results: Do you consider Jehovah's Witnesses to be part of Christianity?
Yes 24 42.11%
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Old 12-31-2012, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by beeveenh View Post
Lol...this is silly. Have a great evening.
I agree. You could have just answered outright rather than play games. Good bye and Happy New Year!
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Faith Plus Nothing View Post
So let me ask again. Do you and the JW"s teach that Jesus body was not resurrected or His body was resurrected? Was it the same physical body or a "spirit body? Simple question and can be answered very directly.
Sense we both know the answer what's the problem? You do not believe Jesus' body was resurrected do you?You can admit the truth here. No one will hurt you!
It was a Spiritual body . . .NOt His natural body . . . but He could present the illusion of a natural body so they would believe he was resurrected and to keep from terrifying His followers who were terrified of Spirits. If He had only appeared to them as an invisible Spirit in their minds . . . they would have thought they were possessed and been terrified.

What is your issue with the JW's . . . they follow Christ. Why do they need to believe what you do? What you believe is irrelevant. What you DO is not. We are to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't . . . if we want to follow Christ. Those were His commands and they are NOT optional.
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by beeveenh View Post
Actually what you should have been sensing is that I actually have other things in my life away from the computer.

There is no "simple answer"...and definitely no "real resistance" here. I prefer to use scriptural references so a one word answer will not suffice. So please forgive me if I use more than one word.

1 Corinthians 15:45, 50
45*And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
50*Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Peter 3:18
18*For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Acts 10:40, 41
40*Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41*Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

Given these scriptures, Jehovah's Witnesses conclude that Jesus was resurrected with a spirit body and used his ability to take on a body as needed, when needed. Here is a cut and paste explanation directly from the official website of JWs, which is openly available for all to view:

"It is true that Jesus appeared in physical form to his disciples after his resurrection. But on certain occasions, why did they not at first recognize him? (Luke 24:15-32;*John 20:14-16) On one occasion, for the benefit of Thomas, Jesus appeared with the physical evidence of nail prints in his hands and a spear wound in his side. But how was it possible on that occasion for him suddenly to appear in their midst even though the doors were locked? (John 20:26,*27) Jesus evidently materialized bodies on these occasions, as angels had done in the past when appearing to humans. Disposing of Jesus’ physical body at the time of his resurrection presented no problem for God. Interestingly, although the physical body was not left by God in the tomb (evidently to strengthen the conviction of the disciples that Jesus had actually been raised), the linen cloths in which it had been wrapped were left there; yet, the resurrected Jesus always appeared fully clothed.—John 20:6,*7."

This conversation about the nature of Jesus' resurrection reminds me of a post on the "essential doctrine" thread. Someone posted how Eve went beyond essential doctrine because God said you must not eat the fruit, and Eve said you must not touch the fruit. JWs 100% believe that Jesus was resurrected...plain and simple. I said before, it has never been troubling to me about the condition or whereabouts of Jesus' physical body... He was resurrected and that's what matters.
They also believe that Yeshua did it all...Paid the price for our sins...
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Old 01-01-2013, 01:09 PM
Location: Forests of Maine
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Jesus came to bring war and division.
Matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Luke 12:49-53 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

He knew that among His followers there would be division.

Even when Jesus was walking in His Ministry there were other denominations. How did He react to other ministries?

Luke 9:49-50 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid [him] not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Jesus promised to be here and to help us.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Jesus promised to form us into a single body.
John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

We are to be one as Jesus and God are one
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

And even the Pauline Epistles spend a great deal of time, carefully explaining how we are all members of one body. But look at all of the in-fighting between groups. Jesus told us that we would fight among ourselves, and tried to give comfort, and to encourage us not to fight. Paul did likewise.

Yet we still fight.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Vizio View Post
Do you have any documentation of such churches existing? I'd be thrilled to find some.
For starters, just look at the development of Christianity in Abyssinia and how practices such as recognition of the Sabbath (7th) day and the maintenence of certain health laws. Catholicism did away with such things. I'll look for some specific sources...
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:35 AM
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The Catholic Church began to lose its dominance when people began to question the governing body of the Papacy on top of the issue of kicking out reformers and declaring them heretics.

I believe Martin Luther was the first of many during the Protestant Restoration who eventually found the Lutheran Church. Both Catholics and Lutherans are alot alike in their style of worship; however, Lutherans are Anti-Pope.

King Henry XIII split from the church so he could marry Anne Boleyn. He found the Church of England or the Anglicans. They are called Episcopalians in America.

The rest of Protestants formed their churches based on their own interpretations of the Bible with less liturgy.
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