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there is only 1 true Jesus. As we've stated though, you can call many different people "Jesus", ranging from the guy that has a taco stand on the corner to the guy in your office, to God, the creator of the universe.
JW's call a created being by that name. It's not the same one that I worship. The Jesus I worship is God eternal. Identity matters.
How did the universe get here? That's all I ask. We settle that, and we'll address the rest later.
We do not know.
I am perfectly fine with the knowledge that we do not know, ultimately, how he universe came to be as yet.
We may very well someday have concrete proof as to how the universe came into being; then again, it may remain forever something beyond our knowledge.
There is, however, no evidence for, and no reason to default to a belief in, a supernatural origin of the universe or an origin that involves a god or gods.
I may well BE that there is or was some kind of creator or creators--god or gods. We do not know. No human does. And that's really not a problem for me.
I could as easily ask--how did your god get here? If nothing can be created from nothing, then whence comes god? If god exists outside all known laws of time, space, matter, reality, etc., then why could not the universe itself be considered to have such properties?
Why make god separate from the universe of matter and energy at all?
It is not unbelievers who claim to "know" the origins of the universe. We are content to seek understanding and knowledge as we can discover it.
No, it is believers who claim to "know" and have all the answers. "Why, they are all here in this ancient book of collected writings! We don't need to seek or quest any further! We can stop using our brains at all when it comes to such matters! We know how everything came to be because it's written right here!"
And that, of course, is groundless, infantile nonsense.
there is only 1 true Jesus. As we've stated though, you can call many different people "Jesus", ranging from the guy that has a taco stand on the corner to the guy in your office, to God, the creator of the universe.
So you don't believe they're referring to the Jesus Christ about whom the New Testament was written? I'll decline to comment further until a Jehovah's Witness clarifies that point.
So you don't believe they're referring to the Jesus Christ about whom the New Testament was written? I'll decline to comment further until a Jehovah's Witness clarifies that point.
From what I understand from JW's. They believe Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. There is no "visible coming" planned in the future.
Praise the Lord! --- Having been down this road before, however, I'm compelled to ask: Are you referring to the Jesus Christ of whom the Bible declares to be "fully God and fully man", God incarnate (God in the flesh) .... or some other Jesus Christ?
I've been on this forum long enough to know that no answer, no matter how biblically sound, will satisfy people. I will say that my beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses are as close to what the apostle's believed. I do not embrace the changes that the Romans made hundreds of years later.
So you don't believe they're referring to the Jesus Christ about whom the New Testament was written? I'll decline to comment further until a Jehovah's Witness clarifies that point.
No. The NWT Bible that is used by them has been intentionally doctored in a few spots. John 1 is a great example. They intentionally added a word to make it appear Jesus is not God. So no...they don't worship the Jesus that is in my New Testament. They recognize the Jesus in THEIR New Testament, which is different than the Bible.
No. The NWT Bible that is used by them has been intentionally doctored in a few spots. John 1 is a great example. They intentionally added a word to make it appear Jesus is not God. So no...they don't worship the Jesus that is in my New Testament. They recognize the Jesus in THEIR New Testament, which is different than the Bible.
"The Bible"? You speak as if there is "the Bible" used by Jehovah's Witnesses and "the Bible" used by everybody else. I am aware that the NWT Bible includes the word "a" in John 1. While the Bible I use (i.e. the KJV) doesn't, there was no definite or indefinite articles in ancient Greek, so pretty much everywhere there was a noun, some translator had to decide whether to include the word "a" or "the" in the translation or whether, instead, to omit it. So, is God "spirit" or is God "a spirit"? Is God "light" or is God "a light"?
"The Bible"? You speak as if there is "the Bible" used by Jehovah's Witnesses and "the Bible" used by everybody else. I am aware that the NWT Bible includes the word "a" in John 1.
That changes the meaning. Jesus is not "a" god. He is GOD. That's an important point.
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While the Bible I use (i.e. the KJV) doesn't, there was no definite or indefinite articles in ancient Greek, so pretty much everywhere there was a noun, some translator had to decide whether to include the word "a" or "the" in the translation or whether, instead, to omit it. So, is God "spirit" or is God "a spirit"? Is God "light" or is God "a light"?
God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is also God. God is also said to be "Light" -- in that there is no "darkness" or evil in him. But he is not "a light".
I'm surprised you even need to ask. The Bibles we all used have been "intentionally doctored" in some respects. If you disagree, I'm afraid you are simply uninformed on the matter.
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