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Old 01-16-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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"And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment"
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First we read this in Revelation 14:

9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

An angel gives the warning. Seems like a nasty fate. For ever and ever, no less. Yikes!

Then we read in Revelation 20:

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the [books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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I just don't see how these poor folk get a second chance after death. This is called the second death. And we are talking about the Lake O' Fire. Now I will concede, it does say that Hades gave up its dead as well as the sea. No mention of Hell.

So what I see is that there is no second chance for the unsaved dead (contrary to UR teaching). There names were not in the book of life. As you know, one's name is entered in the book of live when one accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior. So do it today! Don't wait, because when you pass on it is too late.

Have a nice afternoon or evening!

(Quotes from the NASB)
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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God IS the fire. And the "dead" here isn't talking about physical death ... it's what you would likely call "spiritual" death. Whoever doesn't already know God (is spiritually dead) is going to get to know God, up close and personal ... and knowing God IS life.

This passage isn't a threat. It's a promise!
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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Mr5150 and X follower:

What do you think the Lake of fire is?
Physical fire?
Spiritual fire?
Mental anguish?
Separation?
Annihilation?

Thanks...
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Mr5150 and X follower:

What do you think the Lake of fire is?
Physical fire?
Spiritual fire?
Mental anguish?
Separation?
Annihilation?

Thanks...
The passages indicate it is the wrath of God.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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The passages indicate it is the wrath of God.
That's a very generic answer. Do you know what the wrath of God is?

If you don't know what it is, nor what the wrath does, how do you know what is the outcome of those who enter the lake of fire?

Do you view the Rev 14 and Rev 20 descriptions of the lake of fire as two separate events, or simply two descriptions of the same event?

Where does it say anyone thrown into the lake of fire stays there forever? Yes Rev 14:11 says their smoke ascends forever, I understand that. That does not mean they are in the lake of fire forever.
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Old 01-16-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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lol,
Cheers,
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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Mr5150 and X follower:

What do you think the Lake of fire is?
Physical fire?
Spiritual fire?
Mental anguish?
Separation?
Annihilation?

Thanks...
The lake of fire is where people who rejected Christ will spend eternity just as the OP said.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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The lake of fire is where people who rejected Christ will spend eternity just as the OP said.
OK... couple questions:

1. what is the lake of fire? (as I asked previously)
2. where does it say they spend eternity there?
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Florida
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God IS the fire. And the "dead" here isn't talking about physical death ... it's what you would likely call "spiritual" death. Whoever doesn't already know God (is spiritually dead) is going to get to know God, up close and personal ... and knowing God IS life.

This passage isn't a threat. It's a promise!
Indeed. Our God IS a CONSUMING FIRE!
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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Throughout scripture, we are given illustrations of things that people can understand from an earthly perspective, but, which may not be as literal and physical in eternity. (eg; fields and pearls, good and bad fig trees, landowners and tenants, streets of gold, mansions, etc). There are also many contrasts in scripture that help us understand extremes (eg; planks/specks, people in parables, mustard seeds and mountains, etc).

In this light, I've wondered if the 'eternal lake of fire' does not give us a picture of the worst possible thing the human mind/flesh could possibly imagine (A literal 'eternal lake of fire' continuously burning, but, never consuming literal flesh). Whether it is a literal or figurative picture of this very real eternal destination will not matter to those who find themselves there.

What if, in the spiritual realm, it actually refers to an eternal 'existence' apart from the light and love of the one true living God? .... combined, with the ever-present knowledge that one rebelliously rejected/ignored God's offer of His only Son as their personal sin atonement ... and 'ticket into heaven'? (Scripture reveals that the fallen angels/demons are eternally 'bound in the abyss' ... yet, retain a knowledge of who Christ and God are).

While this is just speculation, scripture makes perfectly clear that all people have a lifetime of opportunities now to accept/receive Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and Lord ... and thus, enter into an eternal relationship with the one and only living God. Anyone who would reject that, ... thinking, I don't believe that Satan and an 'eternal lake of fire' really exist, ... are already deceived and have bought-into the greatest lie ever concocted.
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