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Old 02-08-2013, 10:18 AM
 
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It's kind of a loaded question, but it really consists of a couple of questions..

1) What is the earthly "order" of the Body of Christ/Church, and what is the duties of the various positions (Pastor, etc)?

2) How does Korah's rebellion spiritually apply to the Church today? As all things written before time were written for our learning, and Korah rebelled against Moses/God's ordained authority, how does this apply to the church today? In the book of Jude it talks about the "gainsaying of Korah". What do you think this is?

The reason why I ask this primarily is to 1) understand God's ordained order on Earth as he works through the Holy Ghost and 2) I need to understand the authority of a Pastor over the congregation. I certainly don't want to be guilty of what Korah did.

Thank you for your time. Please if you do not use the Bible as the authority to explain, than don't even bother responding to this question as it is directed to those that believe that the Word of God is our authority for Christian living.

Mike
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:42 AM
 
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Mike,
I believe the verse you're referring to is Jude 1:11 (Korah's rebellion)

Did you look at the cross references of Gen 4:3-Gen 4:8, Heb 11:4, 1 John 3:12 for any insight as to application of today?
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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The best thing believers can do is to pray , and support their Pastor and leader of their Church , as there can be thing which people do see which They may not agree with or doctrines who believer do not support the leader , But If they do stay and watch and pray to the Lord and turn to the Lord when hypocrisy is shown to believers in churches....... I do not believe that the Lord is going to open up the earth and swallow people up like in Numbers 16 when Korah rebelled ..... but believers who call rebellion and witchcraft against the Pastor or the leader , need to Go to Jesus and repent and plead the Blood of Jesus judgment of authority to cleans the rebellion out of the spirit....and keep the Pastor in prayer as to One accord ...... See there is a dark spirits called war pigs which can come to those who call witchcraft of rebellion which these demon can bring debilitating pain which needs Jesus blood prayers to remove from the authority ...........Jesus tells here when these spirit who can bring cramps in the muscles to confess Malachi 3 ` ```Pay tithes and offering s rebuke the devour in Jesus name ` and pray this over and over , and over until the spiritual abuse is gone ....where Jesus will remove these adversary out.... Glory to God ....
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Old 02-10-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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Mike,
I believe the verse you're referring to is Jude 1:11 (Korah's rebellion)

Did you look at the cross references of Gen 4:3-Gen 4:8, Heb 11:4, 1 John 3:12 for any insight as to application of today?
Here's the passage..

Jude 1:8-12

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Talking about Cain to give us insight on the "way of Cain".

Genesis 4:3

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord

Genesis 4:8

8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Hebrews 11:4

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

1 John 3:12

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.


He brought forth the fruit of the cursed ground instead of the ordained Sacrifice that would make him righteous. His brothers works being righteous (offering the ordained sacrifice as instructed) produced envy/hatred in his brother thus the motive for killing him This seems to be the way of Cain.

The "gainsaying of Core/Korah" is something different. In the book of numbers, Korah from the tribe of Levi (which was ordained to take care of the tabernacle not offer sacrifices) spoke out against Moses that they could and have the right to do sacrifices as well. This was not the case as God ordained the priesthood after the Order of Aaron (which was from the tribe of Levi). So it looks like Korah was attempting to establish a better position in the congregation - one which held a higher degree of respect.

Thoughts?

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Old 02-11-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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Mike,
I had the chance to speak to a theologian and concluded that though we aren't told whom Jude was referring to specifically or what they were guilty of, we do know of the three sins that Cain\Balaam\Korah were:

The sin of Cain
  • he murdered Able (Jesus also stated that hating his brother is a murder)
The sin of Balaam
  • his motivation was for nothing other than profits when prophesying
The sin of Korah's rebellion
  • disrespect the authority of Moses and Aaron. At the heart of the rebellion was that people thought that they were just as good (if not better) to be leaders of Israel and they didn't like the "organized" form that was currently in place.

So the rebellion of Korah today IMO would be the typical anti-organized church drum beat so often heard here. Most often these people are a church of one .... themself.

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