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Old 03-03-2013, 02:47 PM
 
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Disobedience always caused the blindness. The group born after were no different then the first. They still had the law just like the first group. Do you remember the commandment?

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.
But F of X, the question must be asked: WHY WERE THEY DISOBEDIENT? Romans 8 states:

Rom 8:6-7 For the disposition of the flesh is death, yet the disposition of the spirit is life and peace, (7) because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able."

They were not able to please God because God created them flesh. God had to teach them they were not able. The law was given so that the offense would INCREASE (see Romans 5:20).

It was not their fault! God needed to teach them a valuable lesson they could not learn otherwise. They were blinded to teach them a valuable lesson.
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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<snip>Personally, assuming I have a choice, I certainly would even choose continually worshiping an ego maniacal, boorish, selfish, jealous, narcissistic god over being burned alive forever. However, I believe I would rather just be dead, or immediately consumed with fire, than to be subjected to the prior mentioned god worship for eternity. <snip>

I agree. But, now here's a question for you, AJ. IF God is love, and is the source of all truth, would you consider that God a God worth knowing?
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:41 PM
 
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I agree. But, now here's a question for you, AJ. IF God is love, and is the source of all truth, would you consider that God a God worth knowing?
If such a god existed, yes. And only if that god could provide a reasonable explanation for the atrocities it has performed, for making every individual responsible for the "sins" of Adam, and for sending good people to hell simply for not believing in it, among other issues.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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If such a god existed, yes.
Fair enough. Are you making steps to be open to such a possibility and investigate it, and if so, what are they?

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And only if that god could provide a reasonable explanation for the atrocities it has performed, for making every individual responsible for the "sins" of Adam, and for sending good people to hell simply for not believing in it, among other issues.
What, other than some of the dogma of religions and some of the writings contained in their "holy books" gives you the impression that God does hold people responsible for the sins of others, or sends people to hell for not believing in it?
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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Fair enough. Are you making steps to be open to such a possibility and investigate it, and if so, what are they?
The investigation was completed years ago. Though I'm still open hearing new evidence, I'm not actively investigating.


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What, other than some of the dogma of religions and some of the writings contained in their "holy books" gives you the impression that God does hold people responsible for the sins of others, or sends people to hell for not believing in it?
There is none.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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But F of X, the question must be asked: WHY WERE THEY DISOBEDIENT? Romans 8 states:

Rom 8:6-7 For the disposition of the flesh is death, yet the disposition of the spirit is life and peace, (7) because the disposition of the flesh is enmity to God, for it is not subject to the law of God, for neither is it able."

They were not able to please God because God created them flesh. God had to teach them they were not able. The law was given so that the offense would INCREASE (see Romans 5:20).

It was not their fault! God needed to teach them a valuable lesson they could not learn otherwise. They were blinded to teach them a valuable lesson.


ok why isn't it able?

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

Increase? LOL sorry... wrong. Without the law we wouldn't know what sin was.

for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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God shut up all in disobedience (Romans 11) , so if they do not walk it is because it was a part of the plan of God. He opens hearts and eyes in His own time and works all things according to the counsel of His own will. WE may not understand how He does it and maybe we are not supposed to now. God bless and peace.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:19 PM
 
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The investigation was completed years ago. Though I'm still open hearing new evidence, I'm not actively investigating.
What was your method of investigation?


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There is none.
So, why would you expect God to answer for something that isn't the case?
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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I cannot even imagine what that must be like, to go around in life seeing everything with this on-or-off / light-or-darkness mentality. So it's to be either one or the other, eh?
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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What was your method of investigation?
I'm sorry, there were too many to list. But, I was once a Christian, so I knew what I was doing.


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So, why would you expect God to answer for something that isn't the case?
I'm sorry. I don't understand your question.
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