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Old 05-07-2013, 07:37 AM
 
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...according to modern theology. Why? Because according to modern theology, you just have to believe in God, and you are saved. That makes Jesus' sacrifice quite needless.

Think about it.


However,
Jesus' sacrifice, as I see it today, was very important. It was important because he successfully "broke" the laws of nature, which God determined, which said that carnal man would be a slave to sin, and therefore death. "All men have sinned..." All men before Jesus could not see salvation, because in order to have eternal life, they had to receive it as a gift from someone who had never sinned, yet lived.

Jesus, although in the flesh, didn't sin. This caused death to "reject" him, just as Jonas was vomited from the mouth of the whale. Death could not hold Jesus. God made death in such a way that anyone who was sinless could not be held by it. Like two positive magnet poles, they repel each other. And Jesus was repelled by death. Back into Life.

And it is precisely this "rejection" by the chains of death, which permitted Jesus to be our Savior, the only one who could have eternal life. And he now gives us this life! Cool!

Discuss..


Blessings,
brian
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:42 AM
 
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...according to modern theology. Why? Because according to modern theology, you just have to believe in God, and you are saved. That makes Jesus' sacrifice quite needless.
Christians do not teach that Jesus' sacrifice was needless. They teach His sacrifice was necessary because God's justice had to be satisfied. Perhaps I do not know what "modern theology" means. Does it refer to universalism?
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:08 AM
 
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Christians do not teach that Jesus' sacrifice was needless. They teach His sacrifice was necessary because God's justice had to be satisfied. Perhaps I do not know what "modern theology" means. Does it refer to universalism?
then if it was satisfied and Jesus tasted death for all mankind, there is no need for death and hell any longer.


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Old 05-07-2013, 08:11 AM
 
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then if it was satisfied and Jesus tasted death for all mankind, there is no need for death and hell any longer.
That must also originate from the "modern theology" teachngs. I am not familiary with such teachings. Perhaps you can check tentmaker.com for answers.
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:40 AM
 
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then if it was satisfied and Jesus tasted death for all mankind, there is no need for death and hell any longer.


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brian
Throw out the concept of covenant and the bathwater goes with it.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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However,
Jesus' sacrifice, as I see it today, was very important. It was important because he successfully "broke" the laws of nature, which God determined, which said that carnal man would be a slave to sin, and therefore death.
The letter to the Galatians makes it fairly clear that what Jesus "broke" was the power of Law, the validity of Law as basis for judging men. Jesus made it a matter of spirit, the condition of the heart.
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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...according to modern theology. Why? Because according to modern theology, you just have to believe in God, and you are saved. That makes Jesus' sacrifice quite needless.

Think about it.


However,
Jesus' sacrifice, as I see it today, was very important. It was important because he successfully "broke" the laws of nature, which God determined, which said that carnal man would be a slave to sin, and therefore death. "All men have sinned..." All men before Jesus could not see salvation, because in order to have eternal life, they had to receive it as a gift from someone who had never sinned, yet lived.

Jesus, although in the flesh, didn't sin. This caused death to "reject" him, just as Jonas was vomited from the mouth of the whale. Death could not hold Jesus. God made death in such a way that anyone who was sinless could not be held by it. Like two positive magnet poles, they repel each other. And Jesus was repelled by death. Back into Life.

And it is precisely this "rejection" by the chains of death, which permitted Jesus to be our Savior, the only one who could have eternal life. And he now gives us this life! Cool!

Discuss..


Blessings,
brian
I get what you're saying. I'm curious to see who you consider the proponents of "modern theology", and if you believe that most churches are or are not preaching the correct theology today?
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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Throw out the concept of covenant and the bathwater goes with it.
I'm not sure what you're referring to. As I see the Scriptures, God's covenant is with His people, and His people are any who know Him, whether now or later. The covenant that God made was to send His Son to be the Saviour of the world, and to take away the sin of the world (all of it). Notice it doesn't say that he would take away "sins," but "sin" as in the whole thing.

His goal is to teach mankind righteousness. One by one, individually, I believe He will teach us all personally what righteousness is all about.

The day of the Kingdom of God, will be the day in which, when some leader of a country declares war, and no one goes to fight.


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Old 05-07-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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then if it was satisfied and Jesus tasted death for all mankind, there is no need for death and hell any longer.
blessings, brian
You have spoken truth! .... yet, so many spin this and 100 other scriptures in order to support their skewed UR theology.

Jesus satisfied death on behalf of ALL mankind .... and "ALL" who believe and trust in Him and His sacrifice and promise on their behalf ... have no further fear of death or hell! -- Praise God !
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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I'm not sure what you're referring to. As I see the Scriptures, God's covenant is with His people, and His people are any who know Him, whether now or later. The covenant that God made was to send His Son to be the Saviour of the world, and to take away the sin of the world (all of it). Notice it doesn't say that he would take away "sins," but "sin" as in the whole thing.

His goal is to teach mankind righteousness. One by one, individually, I believe He will teach us all personally what righteousness is all about.

The day of the Kingdom of God, will be the day in which, when some leader of a country declares war, and no one goes to fight.


Blessings,
brian
Did he make this covenant with his people only or the whole world?
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