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There are a number of scriptures that state the same attribute for God and Jesus. Jesus and God cannot both possess these particular attributes, unless they are one and the same.
What you've just said doesn't make sense, Mr5150. You use two words, "God" and "Jesus," which imply that "God" is someone other than "Jesus." If the two are interchangeable, why refer to the one as "God" and the other as "Jesus"?
That's an interesting way of looking at it. I believe that Jesus is the individual being spoken of in all of these examples. If "God" and "Jesus" are the same, who did Jesus pray to? Certainly not himself. If they are the same, did Jesus believe He had forsaken Himself on the cross? Did He commend Himself into His own hands? Did He ultimately ascend to Heaven to sit on His own right Hand? There are simply too many questions of this sort that cannot be answered if "God" and "Jesus" are the same.
Here, IMHO, it is best to not go beyond what is written. We know there are three persons, all are fully and completely God, and yet there is one God and God is one. IMHO, it is best not to speculate. You are trying to fathom the Almighty Eternal God who fills all things, and knows all things. God is way beyond our ability to comprehend, so it is best not to go beyond what the Bible gives us or it opens up your mind to false doctrine.
I know this Question has been ask before a million times but I have never see it ask like this.
Does the Father, Son and Holy Spirit each have a mind or are they under one mind.
Which is it?
Each being is a separate entity,
Therefor I only recognize the divinity of the Father/God.
The Holy Spirit is the Angel of Wisdom, Sophia. She is not to be worshiped or praised. She was the first created Angel, created before even the Genesis story began. Though Lucifer was born second and he became the Morning Star and Gods favorite till his fall.
Jesus/Yeshua born of Marry was Gods begotten son and became his Spiritual child when he was baptized. Jesus was given authorities by God that proved he was the Messiah, but the Messiah is not God and should not be worshiped as God.
The concept of the Trinity is based on what the Bible teaches. The doctrine of the trinity is not stated in one sentence per se, but rather like this. If A=B and B=C then A=C. So we have scriptures that say Jesus is God such as John 1:1 and 1:14 plus Phil 2:5-8. Other scriptures say the Holy Spirit is God such as Romans 8:9-11, 2Cor 3:3 and 17-18 plus Acts 5:3-4. This is the short list. There are more scriptures that support the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit.
There are a number of scriptures that state the same attribute for God and Jesus. Jesus and God cannot both possess these particular attributes, unless they are one and the same.
Does John 1:1 really state that?...Or are we just readig into it?...God is eternal. always was always will be, He has no beginning or end...The word on the other hand has a beginning, so if the word has a beginning, then it cannot be God, because God has no beginning...I used to read the same thing into that verse when I was a young unlearned christian, but as I re-examined it over time and learned the attributes of God, I came to question my infantile understanding of it...As I stated above, how can the Messiah be God if He has a beginning but God doesn't have a beginning?...It doesn't make sense...Even the Messiah said that He was given all authority to do His Father's will...I believe this was on the day of His baptism...And on that day is when the Word of God became flesh or manifested through God's chosen vessel...It is like your own father giving you all authority in his matters and you do exactly as he has told you and those that know your father best will recognize that you possess your father's traits and his ways so when you speak on his behalf they recognize it as if it is your father speaking to them...Those that do not know your father will not know you either nor see that you are about your father's business...
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
None of the Greek mss. I looked at have the word "Christ" in them...And Isa. 9:6 reads differently in the Hebrew...marvelous advisor, mighty warrior of God, everlasting Prince of Peace...
This is from the septuagint:
Isa 9:6For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.
[SIZE=3][/SIZE][SIZE=3]It is interesting that neither the Hebrew scriptures state anything about a mighty god or everlasting father, nor does the Septuagint, so where does this translation come from?...[/SIZE]
Each being is a separate entity,
Therefor I only recognize the divinity of the Father/God.
The Holy Spirit is the Angel of Wisdom, Sophia. She is not to be worshiped or praised. She was the first created Angel, created before even the Genesis story began. Though Lucifer was born second and he became the Morning Star and Gods favorite till his fall.
Jesus/Yeshua born of Marry was Gods begotten son and became his Spiritual child when he was baptized. Jesus was given authorities by God that proved he was the Messiah, but the Messiah is not God and should not be worshiped as God.
Define Essence and you got your answer. Good luck cause i dont see it', i take my bible literal and dont read in to it. If Christ came back and discussed the nature of the 'triune God(ask the trinitarians why he would start such a conversation about himself, they are good at speculative thought)he would remark to these Trinitarians
"Where did you ever get this idea?. When did i ever say three? You heard me on more than one occasion pronounce 'the lord your god is 1 god)".
Jesus's word add up enough for me not to add onto them, Christians of the first century pronounced 3 parts of God's gift as 3 gods(in stating that trinity is 3 distinct 'Persons' in one 'Essence').
Good day to you and god bless.
- Hmmm, really? I thought it was: "The Lord our God is One Lord"?
Jesus said, The Father and I are One. That means 2 are One. Not 2 are 3. Or One is 3.
Jesus saying The Father and I are One. If you have seen Me you have seen The Father.
I know this Question has been ask before a million times but I have never see it ask like this.
Does the Father, Son and Holy Spirit each have a mind or are they under one mind.
Which is it?
Yes. They are 3 separate persons, all in the same Godhead. They are not 3 separate Gods.
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If they are the same, did Jesus believe He had forsaken Himself on the cross? Did He commend Himself into His own hands? Did He ultimately ascend to Heaven to sit on His own right Hand? There are simply too many questions of this sort that cannot be answered if "God" and "Jesus" are the same.
