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That is the travesty of religious leadership retaining the ancient ignorance and superstition to extort obedience and membership. Christ wanted His Gospel of love to be spread through "love of God and each other" . . . the churches spread the Gospel of fear from the OT through beliefs ABOUT Christ, rules and tithing. Which do you think Christ actually would approve?
Got a verse for that? Oh, wait....you don't believe the Bible. You'd rather use your "new understanding".
Maybe no, maybe yes. But the term as applied to nondenominational churches is really apt, because their practices and doctrine are very, very close to those of the Baptists. In many cases, you wouldn't be able slide a piece of paper between the two. Just because they are not formally aligned with the Southern Baptists doesn't really matter.
I was basing it on them being Pentecostal which is not Baptist at all. I don't know about the entire country but in the parts I have been in the term "non-denominational" almost always means "Pentecostal" and definitely not "Baptist".
Well, let's go back to your response to my question: Quote:
Originally Posted by nateswift
The process of coming to a commitment to live in love is an essential doctrine? Why?
If you don't know the answer to that one then you need to start off by learning what a Christian is and how to become one. Maybe you need to start a new thread where you can be taught if you really don't know that.
Sounds like a list of hoops to me. Go ahead and list them.
I am not the one who set up the "hoop" on how be become a Christian. Jesus did that. Do you know what that is? That is the question I would think.
That is the travesty of religious leadership retaining the ancient ignorance and superstition to extort obedience and membership. Christ wanted His Gospel of love to be spread through "love of God and each other" . . . the churches spread the Gospel of fear from the OT through beliefs ABOUT Christ, rules and tithing. Which do you think Christ actually would approve?
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Got a verse for that? Oh, wait....you don't believe the Bible. You'd rather use your "new understanding".
The intransigence of dogmatic religious leaders is quite frustrating. The scriptures are USEFUL for instruction in righteousness . . . NOT infallible prescriptions to be blindly followed without thought or reason. Study to show ourselves approved MEANS something that the religious leaders have abrogated by the retention of ancient ignorance as a mandatory sign of Faith in God. It is a spiritual crime that will have consequences.
The intransigence of dogmatic religious leaders is quite frustrating. The scriptures are USEFUL for instruction in righteousness . . . NOT infallible prescriptions to be blindly followed without thought or reason. Study to show ourselves approved MEANS something that the religious leaders have abrogated by the retention of ancient ignorance as a mandatory sign of Faith in God. It is a spiritual crime that will have consequences.
What authority do I need to express my understanding using the "mind of Christ" as He revealed the TRUE NATURE of God to us unambiguously? In my case . . . Jesus successfully lifted the veil of ignorance that is over reading the OT. Apparently it has not been as successfully lifted for the mainstream churches because the leaders mandated acceptance of the ignorance as a sign of Faith in God . . . a sad irony and genuine travesty.
The intransigence of dogmatic religious leaders is quite frustrating. The scriptures are USEFUL for instruction in righteousness . . . NOT infallible prescriptions to be blindly followed without thought or reason. Study to show ourselves approved MEANS something that the religious leaders have abrogated by the retention of ancient ignorance as a mandatory sign of Faith in God. It is a spiritual crime that will have consequences.
I explained the foundation for all precepts and acceptable guidelines for behavior in traditional Christianity, re the emphasis on Innocent, the hope in divine example set by the innocent one at the cross.
All of these items mentioned in my entry concerning the very well known and powerful teaching to be as children to enter the kingdom, are in fact connected to both peace and threat to the human species.
The leaders are responsible in communicating these important qualifications for a path in sanctification of soul, our objective as active Christians.
When the leader speaks in the infallible, he is doing the best possible in above, in the Spirit mentioned,
If you have a point in the itemized standards brought forward which you believe are out of step with the Divine, then please make your point with the Scriptures mentioned directive and how, it is something that has been over looked, as you evasively suggest. Other then that the contribution is hostile and makes no sense...including a vacant empty reservoir without substance in meaning.
All observance's and guidelines are in support of human flourish, anything contrary is a aversion away from the intended both in the setting, and as insult to the setting where manipulation is violently in motion in many ways.
I have to go and sketched this out quickly...your entries make no point whatsoever. If there is zero in common sense and appropriate data it will be ignored. I gotta fly and only on the go for now.
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You have what authority to constantly tell people their beliefs are wrong?
The Bible
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You have what authority to decide what is the truth and what isn't?
The Bible
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Clearing all of that up would be helpful.
The Bible. It's that simple
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I'm also wondering if your church has a website since you seem so tremendously unhappy with the Movement's website.
Nope. We don't. We're a small country church. People here barely care to use Facebook.
Keep in mind--I'm not down on The Movement's website. I think it's great that they have one. I find their statements of "Jesus, not religion", to be lacking.
If you scroll up thread, you will see that the Movement is not doctrinaire.
Sheena12,
You do realize that your post below is based on doctrinal foundation.... which (if not mistaken) is mostly taken from the Reformed doctrinal view on the Sacraments.
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Originally Posted by sheena12
The Movement does not baptize infants, and practice believes baptism by full immersion.
There are two ordinances baptism and Lord's supper. The table is open to all believers.
Last Sunday four babies and young children were dedicated.
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