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Old 12-30-2018, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The meaning of “Angels” in scripture is messengers, it is the doctrines of men that have been read back into the scriptures that have created actual beings called “angels” and “demons”

The scriptures are metaphoric, prophetic and allegoric and not to be read literally
Indeed, there have been messengers’ who have fallen, but they weren’t angels! These false prophets have attempted to turn the truth of adversity into the lie called Satan through the blending of Christianity with the thoughts of Pagan philosophers, under the authority of the Emperors who required a national amalgamated religion to solidity their control over the people.

"To fully integrate adversity is to assimilate it into one’s own mind."
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Old 12-30-2018, 01:27 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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The meaning of “Angels” in scripture is messengers, it is the doctrines of men that have been read back into the scriptures that have created actual beings called “angels” and “demons”

The scriptures are metaphoric, prophetic and allegoric and not to be read literally
Why are you being dogmatic about something which is only your personal opinion? You've apparently come to believe that absolutely everything is the Bible is allegorical and nothing is literal.

In the case of angels, both the Bible and extra-biblical sources present angels as literal spirit beings. There is no justification for regarding as allegorical or symbolic what is clearly presented as being literal.

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Old 12-30-2018, 01:56 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Why are you being dogmatic about something which is only your personal opinion? You've apparently come to believe that absolutely everything is the Bible is allegorical and nothing is literal.

In the case of angels, both the Bible and extra-biblical sources present angels as literal spirit beings. There is no justification for regarding as allegorical or symbolic what is clearly presented as being literal.
You have your understanding, I have mine

In my opinion That is all we are told to do is be messengers of the gospel of the good news of the coming of the kingdom

You seem to split Gods kingdom up into a piece for Christians who get “heaven” all non christians get eternal torment in hell, and then a totally new earth created for Israel to rule over

But I see only one kingdom which is the joining of The house of Judah with the house of Israel through Christ

This Christ is not a physical man because God is not a man and is working everything through his spirit

That is my understanding at the moment, but I am always open to learning
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Old 12-30-2018, 02:46 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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You have your understanding, I have mine

In my opinion That is all we are told to do is be messengers of the gospel of the good news of the coming of the kingdom

You seem to split Gods kingdom up into a piece for Christians who get “heaven” all non christians get eternal torment in hell, and then a totally new earth created for Israel to rule over

But I see only one kingdom which is the joining of The house of Judah with the house of Israel through Christ

This Christ is not a physical man because God is not a man and is working everything through his spirit

That is my understanding at the moment, but I am always open to learning
The Bible teaches that to be saved, one must believe in Jesus. All whose names are not in the book of life will be sent to the lake of fire. You can't honestly deny that the Bible states that. You can only refuse to believe it.

And Jesus before coming into the world as a member of the human race, ''a physical man,'' pre-existed as God as is clearly stated in John 1:1,14. And Second John verse 7 states that those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are deceivers.

Your ''understanding'' disagrees with the apostolic teachers.
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Old 12-30-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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you have your understanding, i have mine

in my opinion that is all we are told to do is be messengers of the gospel of the good news of the coming of the kingdom

you seem to split gods kingdom up into a piece for christians who get “heaven” all non christians get eternal torment in hell, and then a totally new earth created for israel to rule over

but i see only one kingdom which is the joining of the house of judah with the house of israel through christ

this christ is not a physical man because god is not a man and is working everything through his spirit

that is my understanding at the moment, but i am always open to learning
"...as I live, says the lord, every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall give praise to god."
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Old 12-30-2018, 03:18 PM
 
Location: US
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The Bible teaches that to be saved, one must believe in Jesus. All whose names are not in the book of life will be sent to the lake of fire. You can't honestly deny that the Bible states that. You can only refuse to believe it.

And Jesus before coming into the world as a member of the human race, ''a physical man,'' pre-existed as God as is clearly stated in John 1:1,14. And Second John verse 7 states that those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are deceivers.

Your ''understanding'' disagrees with the apostolic teachers.
Nah, his understanding disagrees with you, Mike...
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Old 12-30-2018, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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The Bible teaches that to be saved, one must believe in Jesus. All whose names are not in the book of life will be sent to the lake of fire. You can't honestly deny that the Bible states that. You can only refuse to believe it.

And Jesus before coming into the world as a member of the human race, ''a physical man,'' pre-existed as God as is clearly stated in John 1:1,14. And Second John verse 7 states that those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are deceivers.

Your ''understanding'' disagrees with the apostolic teachers.
Mike555. The names written in the book of life are new names that no man knows except for the One who gives it. Therefore, Mike555 will not be a name in the book of life. Does this mean you are going to hell? No. However, it doesn't exclude you from the fiery refinement of God. It's impossible to speak to you about spiritual things when you continue to use your carnal mind. I know you may think people are trying to mess with you, but they actually are not -- just noting that you are still bound to a carnal understanding of the bible. Ask God to open your spiritual eyes. Is there any reason why you would not ask God to do that?
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Old 12-30-2018, 05:14 PM
 
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Mike555. The names written in the book of life are new names that no man knows except for the One who gives it. Therefore, Mike555 will not be a name in the book of life. Does this mean you are going to hell? No. However, it doesn't exclude you from the fiery refinement of God. It's impossible to speak to you about spiritual things when you continue to use your carnal mind. I know you may think people are trying to mess with you, but they actually are not -- just noting that you are still bound to a carnal understanding of the bible. Ask God to open your spiritual eyes. Is there any reason why you would not ask God to do that?
Good advice.
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Old 12-30-2018, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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"...as I live, says the lord, every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall give praise to god."
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Old 12-30-2018, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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All whose names are not in the book of life will be sent to the lake of fire.

You can't honestly deny that the Bible states that. You can only refuse to believe it.
But your view is incorrect, it has nothing to do with being in HELL, as the HELL you believe in doesn't exist.
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