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Old 06-10-2013, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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We can stop sinning via Christ. Christ didn't sin. If Christ is the life you have then you will not sin also.
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>>We are born with the condemantion of Adam himself as members of his body.<<

But you just told us that we are "born with the condemnation of Adam himself." So we are guilty of sin even though we did nothing wrong. Following your reasoning, God is clearly unjust!

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Old 06-10-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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You just told us that we are automatically condemned. Better pick one claim and stick with it.
You are automaticlly condemened. Christ didn't come to save the rightous but came to save sinners. It is pretty simple, your condemned and then your saved by the savior = Christ.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Then it follows that God is clearly unjust for condemning the innocent!
You sound like this:

Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

It seems others have thought the innocent were being wrongly condemned as well. Look at the response from Paul:

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

You see the eventually reward is to be God's Children with happiness and joy the rest of eternity.
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Old 06-10-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Might makes right?
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Old 06-10-2013, 03:16 PM
 
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Might makes right?
I suppose only if it is God's might - then we know it is right.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I suppose only if it is God's might - then we know it is right.
Except that it is opposed to all concepts we have been taught for what is right, then it becomes a "do as I say, not as I do.

Some people think God works that way, and some of those are ok with that. i don't and I would not be ok with it if I did.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Christ didn't come to save the rightous but came to save sinners.
But not Adam apparently.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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>>We are born with the condemnation of Adam himself as members of his body.<<
But you just told us that we are "born with the condemnation of Adam himself." So we are guilty of sin even though we did nothing wrong. Following your reasoning, God is clearly unjust!
Who has done nothing wrong ?____ Even at the birth of a child a parent knows its leanings will be toward wrongdoing.

If we could stop sinning we would not die.
Because we can not stop sinning we die.
Although death [ No post-mortem penalties ] is the wages [ price tag ] paid for sin - Romans 6 vs 23,7 - we still can not resurrect oneself or another. We need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can and he will.- Rev. 1 v 18
That makes God truly just because our last enemy 'death' will be brought to nothing.- 1st Cor. 15 v 26
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:59 AM
 
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Except that it is opposed to all concepts we have been taught for what is right, then it becomes a "do as I say, not as I do.

Some people think God works that way, and some of those are ok with that. i don't and I would not be ok with it if I did.
No it is our flawed perception to think that what God is going is wrong. After all we can't manufacture life at will.

But tell me, would you really appreciate the light as much had you never experienced the darkness?
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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But not Adam apparently.
God won't fail any. He'll save us everyone including Adam.
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