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View Poll Results: Should Christians follow the Torah?
Yes 2 40.00%
No 3 60.00%
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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I am not a Christian but I would like to know what Christians think of this video about Torah observance.

Torah Life Ministries – If you are a Christian, please see this video.

I also added a poll just for fun.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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Like it or not Christians actually do follow the Torah,or atleast most of it. The ceremonial and sacrificial parts of the law were fulfilled as Jesus was our sacrifice, so animal sacrifices are not needed to cover your sins. As for burnt offerings and stuff that is no longer needed. The 1050 commands in the NT are expanded and based right out of the OT, so if you are following all the commands in the NT you are pretty much observing Torah.

I know this will probably start a big argument, because the question you asked is what sets off arguments like:

Homosexuality is wrong, but Sabbath breaking isnt since they are both in Torah
Dietary laws are abolished
Holy Feast days are not needed, but you observe man made holidays.
Not stoning people for breaking certain commands in torah.

or any other commands in torah that people like to argue about someone not doing.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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What Torah was intended to do in setting out ways to relate in society and with God are appropriate. Torah failed as Law must always fail (that's what lawyers are for, finding ways to make it fail).

The only way to accomplish the objective is to have a spirit that intends to do what is best for society and the individual in relation to God. New perspective, New commandment, New Testament.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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Any rituals that substitute the sacrifice of Lord Jesus , as animal offerings and even burnt offering or even sack cloth and offering , covenant through circumcision ,or denial of Jesus Christ will bring irreverence to Holy Spirit
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:44 PM
 
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No. I'm not a Judaizer.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:24 PM
 
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What Torah was intended to do in setting out ways to relate in society and with God are appropriate. Torah failed as Law must always fail (that's what lawyers are for, finding ways to make it fail).
How can the Torah fail as Law when the Torah isn't Law in the first place? The word "Torah" means teaching. To follow the Torah means to follow the ethical principles taught there, not to follow the literal commandments which were mostly time-specific (the Ten Commandments being an exception).

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The only way to accomplish the objective is to have a spirit that intends to do what is best for society and the individual in relation to God. New perspective, New commandment, New Testament.
Spirit without knowledge and intelligence only leads to trouble. As the saying goes, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Studying the Bible increases both knowledge and intelligence.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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Torah a.k.a Old Testament is observed by the Jews....

Christians should follow the New Testament....
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:27 PM
 
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How can the Torah fail as Law when the Torah isn't Law in the first place? .
What is meant by "The Law and the prophets?"
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:37 PM
 
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What is meant by "The Law and the prophets?"
The Torah contains Law and the Old Testament contains prophets, but the Torah itself isn't law and the Old Testament itself isn't prophets. The Torah teaches ethics in many ways including providing a set of laws that were appropriate for that time and place. The only laws listed as eternal are the Ten Commandments. The Old Testament provides further insight into the ethical teachings of the Torah in many ways including the record of the prophets.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:41 PM
 
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The Torah contains Law and the Old Testament contains prophets, but the Torah itself isn't law and the Old Testament itself isn't prophets. The Torah teaches ethics in many ways including providing a set of laws that were appropriate for that time and place. The only laws listed as eternal are the Ten Commandments. The Old Testament provides further insight into the ethical teachings of the Torah in many ways including the record of the prophets.
So following Torah would be following those Laws that are eternal. 'Nuff said.
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