Verses that ETers got Wrong - Matthew 25:46

[twin.spin]

Seems like you're trying to over think this .... so let me break this into sections:

Originally Posted by trettep

"Never" is relative to the aion (G165) which is the age.

I don't play the "greek word expert game".
No one here has convinced me that they are experts about the NT Greek.
At best they're parroting what they think is says from somebody else or are just good copy & past'ers.

So nicely put, if I wanted to verify anything of the NT Greek, (no offense intended) I would out of hand be skeptical of any universalist take on their supposed expertise.

Originally Posted by trettep

But if you believe means never in the forever sense, then what your saying is that anyone right now that blasphemed the Holy Spirit is already doomed,

This is what Jesus says that condemnation can occur already

Luke 3:9 "The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Mark 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

Originally Posted by trettep

Originally Posted by trettep

which is contrary to what many ETers preach since they preach that the only time we can be saved is before death

I don't know who you have in mind, since I consider the term "ET'ers" more like a code word by those who finally appose God by their (some might say) backhanded accusations that God must be unfair \ unjust \ a failure.

With that said ... the only time we are told for the time of grace for the individual is prior to death.

Originally Posted by trettep

but if this is true what your saying then the moment that someone blasphemed the Holy Spirir there would be no longer any course of salvation for that person (even before death).

Not necessarily, a person can decide to stop blaspheming. I hear of many previous adamant atheists to other non-christians coming to faith. Yet, we also read that God does make it impossible for some not to be allowed to believe due to their hardness to the truth.

I answered all I care to ... my intentions are not to out logic the merry-go-round.

[svenM]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Seems like you're trying to over think this .... so let me break this into sections:


I don't play the "greek word expert game".
No one here has convinced me that they are experts about the NT Greek.
At best they're parroting what they think is says from somebody else or are just good copy & past'ers.

So nicely put, if I wanted to verify anything of the NT Greek, (no offense intended) I would out of hand be skeptical of any universalist take on their supposed expertise.

As I am a sceptic person and do not easily believe other people's claims I investigated this issue on my own as far I was able to do so, you may want to see my result and comment it, I would be interested to hear critical yet scholarly opinions, without unneccessary polemics:

eternity-and-the-bible.pdf

If you want to download it, you have do choose the SMALL DOWNLOAD Button beneath where the number of downloads is counted.

[Jerwade]

Imagine you are standing on a beach, looking out over the ocean to the horizon. It you are 6 foot tall, you may be able to see approximately 3 miles.
And, as you walk forward the distance is unchanging. In this sense the perpetual horizon, appears to be endless much like that of moving through time.

"Every journey begins with a first step; and every step is its own journey."

[trettep]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Seems like you're trying to over think this .... so let me break this into sections:


I don't play the "greek word expert game".
No one here has convinced me that they are experts about the NT Greek.
At best they're parroting what they think is says from somebody else or are just good copy & past'ers.

So nicely put, if I wanted to verify anything of the NT Greek, (no offense intended) I would out of hand be skeptical of any universalist take on their supposed expertise.



This is what Jesus says that condemnation can occur already

Luke 3:9 "The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Mark 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”

Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

I don't know who you have in mind, since I consider the term "ET'ers" more like a code word by those who finally appose God by their (some might say) backhanded accusations that God must be unfair \ unjust \ a failure.

With that said ... the only time we are told for the time of grace for the individual is prior to death.




Not necessarily, a person can decide to stop blaspheming. I hear of many previous adamant atheists to other non-christians coming to faith. Yet, we also read that God does make it impossible for some not to be allowed to believe due to their hardness to the truth.

I answered all I care to ... my intentions are not to out logic the merry-go-round.

Twin.spin, I was just trying to get you take a deeper look into the Bible.