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The time line the Jew's saw.
I think we often forget that the Church age or age of Grace was not seen nor revealed to the nation of Israel who thought the tribulation was about to begin.
The time line of the future is never a sure thing , but a interpretation of possible answer of scripture , and believe must never make a stand on belief against other believers ....See the apostasy on Jesus first coming is proof that scripture was interpreted wrong , and the almost complete nation of Israel got it wrong and interpreted Jesus as an idol and rejected Jesus for the envy of His Works ..... See in the last days before Jesus comes against and brings renewal in the earth many believer will probably get it wrong and miss the visitation of Christ , or be condemned for taking the side of antichrist, because Jesus will not come until apostasy is in full , and faith in Christ is absent , ....So believers will get it wrong
What am I missing in a "Timeline the OT Prophets/Jews Saw" that includes Christ and His Second Coming, plus the Last Days? What 'Jews'/OT Prophets does this refer to? Does this suggest that the OT prophets that spoke of the Last Days: Daniel, Zechariah, Ezekial, etc.) -- understood the Coming and Return of Christ ... and/or the Last Days? (Source data please).
I think we often forget that the Church age or age of Grace was not seen nor revealed to the nation of Israel who thought the tribulation was about to begin.
This is true. Our present dispensation of the Church Age was hidden from long ages past and first referred to when Jesus made reference in Matthew 16:18 to the church which He would establish. It was given to the apostle Paul to teach the doctrines pertaining to the Church Age.
Below is a chart by Clarence Larkin, who was a baptist pastor (1850-1924) which shows 'the mountain peaks of prophecy'. The Church Age is pictured as being in a valley between the First and Second Advents of Christ which are pictured as being on mountain peaks. The second peak can be seen behind the first peak, but the valley in between cannot be seen. For this reason the Old Testament prophets could not distinguish between Jesus' two Advents which to them would have appeared as being the same event.
For example, the prophecy in Isaiah 61 speaks of both the First and Second Advents of Jesus. But when Jesus quoted part of this prophecy in Luke 4:18-19 He stopped after quoting Isaiah 61:2a 'to proclaim the favorable year of the Lord' (Luke 4:19), because this was the only part of the prophecy which had been fullfilled at His First Advent. The rest of Isaiah 61 will be fullfilled at His Second Advent. The entire Church Age, unknown to the Old Testament prophets lies in between Isaiah 61:2a and Isaiah 61:2b and following.
What am I missing in a "Timeline the OT Prophets/Jews Saw" that includes Christ and His Second Coming, plus the Last Days? What 'Jews'/OT Prophets does this refer to? Does this suggest that the OT prophets that spoke of the Last Days: Daniel, Zechariah, Ezekial, etc.) -- understood the Coming and Return of Christ ... and/or the Last Days? (Source data please).
What they did not see was the present age. You cannot quote that which is not given by any prophet. They did not see it. As scripture say's it was keep hidden from the foundation of the world.
The prophets “testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow,” they knew nothing of the present period of grace which lies between our Lord’s suffering and His kingdom glory.
“The dispensation of the grace of God,” we read in Ephesians 3, was “a mystery” only made known “by revelation” to Paul, some years after the rejected Christ had returned to heaven. In verse 5 he says that “in other ages” it was “not made known.” In verse 8 he calls it “the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God.” In Romans 16:25 he says it was “kept secret since the world began.” In Colossians 1:26 he insists again that it was “hid from ages and from generations.”
This is the great surprise of grace which God planned for sinners “before the world began” (II Tim. 1:9), but “kept secret since the world began” (Rom. 16:25).
One of the Scriptures which is used to argue against the fact the Prophet did not see this age of grace is I Peter 1:10: “Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you.” They say that this proves conclusively that the dispensation of Grace was prophesied beforehand and was no mystery at all.
But here we must distinguish between grace in a dispensation and the dispensation of Grace. Peter is not speaking of the reign of grace here, but of the grace that will prevail during the reign of Christ. This is clear from the 13th verse, where he exhorts his Jewish Christian brethren, “Hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.”
Remember that like Christ on earth, Peter was a minister of “the Circumcision” (Rom. 15:18; Gal. 2:7). His message to the believing Jews had the kingdom reign of Christ in view.
The prophets had clearly predicted that God would judge the world for rejecting His Son and would enthrone Christ in spite of them. He did not do this immediately, however. In matchless mercy, He deferred the judgment and offered salvation to all who would receive it as a free gift through the merits of Christ. And so, while Christ is not yet reigning, grace reigns. “That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign” (Rom. 5:21).
An over-abounding grace is the outstanding characteristic of God’s dealings with man in “this present evil age.”
When Saul of Tarsus became the leader of an organized rebellion against Christ, God in love reached down to save him, choosing him as the very agent through whom He would proclaim grace to a lost world.
Listen to his testimony and his message:
“Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious, but…the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant” (I Tim. 1:13,14).
“Not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many” (Rom. 5:15).
“But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound” (Rom. 5:20).
“In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His grace; wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence” (Eph. 1:7,8).
“Being justified freely by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 3:24).
“And God is able to make all grace abound unto you, that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work” (II Cor. 9:8).
“For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God” (II Cor. 4:15).
Do you wonder why we say that an over-abounding grace is the outstanding characteristic of God’s dealings with man in “this present evil age”? Surely grace is reigning. Otherwise the thunders of God’s judgment would roll and He would bring in the reign of Christ.
Though, in his first epistle, Peter told the believing Jews to “hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,” he later learned something of that greater grace which God was to manifest in deferring the judgment of the nations and the reign of Christ, and, as we shall see, he learned it from Paul.
As Israel refused to repent and Christ did not return, some began to cry “Where is the promise of His coming?” (II Pet. 3:4).
Peter now answers this beautifully. He says “Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” And note, this is not a lame explanation offered today at the close of the age of Grace. This statement was made at the dawn of the age.
Peter goes on, “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count [it], slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (II Pet. 3:8,9 cf. I Tim. 1:16 “all longsuffering”). So the delay must not be counted slackness on God’s part, but longsuffering, and since “one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day,” this delay might continue for any amount of time, even though the signs of the last days had already begun to appear (Acts 2:16,17).
How did Peter know this? He certainly didn’t find it in prophecy.
Before we quote the significant closing words of his epistle let us remember Paul’s word in Ephesians 3:1-3. “For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: how that by revelation He made known unto me the Mystery….”
How beautifully this harmonizes with the closing words of Peter’s second epistle! He tells them not to count the delay slackness, but says “…account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you” (II Pet. 3:15). No wonder he says in the closing verse “But grow in grace!”
Peter has learned why “the revelation of Jesus Christ” is being delayed. May we learn it too. God is waiting because of “His great love,” because He is loathe to judge.
How long He will continue to wait we cannot tell. We can only say to the unsaved, “We then, as workers together with Him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain….Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation” (II Cor. 6:1,2). And to the saved, “See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil” (Eph. 5:15,16).
Of the four scenario of timelines, scripture teaches a Amillennial
This is one Scriptures teach and will be the one Jesus saw and what will occur.
The Augsburg Confession alludes to the origin of this error
Luther held the position that Millennialism is a heresy (sermon preached in 1539)
John Calvin wrote that the doctrine of the millenarians is a "fiction too puerile to require or deserve refutation"
1 Thessalonians 4 tells us that believers will rise to meet Christ in the air, not prior to, but on the last day
Matthew 24:30, all the nations of the earth “will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.” On that day, according to Revelation 1:7, “every eye will see him.”
1 Thessalonians 4 tells us that believers will rise to meet Christ in the air, not prior to, but on the last day
Matthew 24:30, all the nations of the earth “will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.” On that day, according to Revelation 1:7, “every eye will see him.
The Parable of the Weeds and Jesus' explanation to it.... does not have a multiple harvests
The Parable of the Net ..... does not have a multiple times which angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous
When Jesus comes, he comes only once... and he comes to judge and separate, not to have a millennial rule.
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