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Now, let's put them all together. Here is Elizabeth Taylor wearing a necklace, earrings, a ring on her finger, and a bracelet. That is one beautiful woman Tony, and I find nothing at all wrong with her adornments.
Please interpret, Tony. Does that mean your sect splits up families? If it does.....oh my. That's truly scary
And what is "toughness on a bum"? Considering you seem to think the poor are sinners.....it sounds like nothing good.
What sect is he a part of? Just curious.
Matthew 10:34-up is the part about Jesus coming to set a family against itself, e.g. believers vs. nonbelievers.
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."
So in this case, yes, "split up families" is absolutely a God idea.
In terms of toughness on a bum...
2 Thess 3:10 says "For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either."
I guess the key to the sentence is the word willing ... e.g. it does not say not to be charitable to the old, the infirm, etc., but it does seem to imply that someone who can work but chooses not to, should not expect to be fed. Maybe could be taken metaphorically as well -- if you choose not to partake in a Christian life, you should not expect the blessings thereof. What do you think Dew?
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Fair to say it's talking about rings and ear rings and necklaces as we know it.
This the bling bling too much says Paul ( 1 Tim. 2:9-14) and Peter (1 Peter 3:3 ).
No bling bling would be modesty or moderation if Paul and Peter tell it.
I can understand the argument but on the other hand, we need to be careful to avoid legalism in these sorts of situations, I feel. For example an engagement ring or wedding band is usually seen as a positive symbol in the Christian worldview, rather than an inappropriate adornment. I am wearing a cross bracelet...I also do not see this as blasphemous or an inappropriate adornment. Your thoughts on religious jewelry and wedding rings, Tony? Just curious.
Matthew 10:34-up is the part about Jesus coming to set a family against itself, e.g. believers vs. nonbelievers.
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."
So in this case, yes, "split up families" is absolutely a God idea.
In terms of toughness on a bum...
2 Thess 3:10 says "For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either."
I guess the key to the sentence is the word willing ... e.g. it does not say not to be charitable to the old, the infirm, etc., but it does seem to imply that someone who can work but chooses not to, should not expect to be fed. Maybe could be taken metaphorically as well -- if you choose not to partake in a Christian life, you should not expect the blessings thereof. What do you think Dew?
I don't know what sect Tony belongs to. I'm genuinely curious and have asked him several times but he has never answered My best guess is he's a follower of Herbert W. Armstrong, though I could be wrong about that.
As far as splitting up families....Tony has stated that being poor is a sin. (I disagree.) He has also stated that the poor should not have children. (I disagree.) Because his posting style is not conducive to easy understanding, I was wondering if there is a connection.
What do I think? I think Jesus would be appalled by some of the beliefs espoused by Tony and other ultra-conservative Christians. I cannot imagine being tough on a bum. None of us know what hardships others have endured that makes them end up on the streets. How do we know who is "willing to work" and who is a ptsd-suffering veteran who has flashbacks that have left him unable to cope with life? If I see a homeless person I'll gladly buy him/her a cup of coffee and something to eat. I never think, "That guy looks unwilling to work. I'm sick of these homeless." so......."No coffee for you! Get a job, loser." We never know who needs just one cup of coffee and a friendly, not condemning, face. We never know what life we're changing by NOT being "tough on a bum."
Judging the poor is appalling to me. Jesus was the child of immigrant parents. He did not have a steady job. He probably worked as an itinerant laborer. I think he knew a lot about being poor and hungry. Jesus fed people without asking, "So. Are you looking for a job? If you aren't I'm not giving you any fish."
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"DDI" agree the gospels seem to show that Jesus was sensitive to and cared for the poor, the hungry, and the dispossessed. in fact, apparently the ultimate test of who was a "true" believer that Jesus really recognized as such was IF those who claimed to be so actually fed the hungry, gave drink to the thirsty, and took care of the sick---pretty much describing the "poor" and how we should treat them then AND now. the idea that it "was easier for a camel to go through a needles eye than for the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven" probably scandalized lots of people then as wealth and success was usually considered a sign of God's special favor. as you probably know, He challenged a rich and apparently religious young man to "give all his possessions to the poor" so as to have treasure in heaven. finally there is this troubling statement: "you CANNOT serve both God and Mammon (money)"
so yes, Jesus was probably very much of an advocate for and lover of "bums"!!!
may God bless you.
Last edited by georgeinbandonoregon; 09-02-2016 at 08:05 PM..
"DDI" agree the gospels seem to show that Jesus was sensitive to and cared for the poor, the hungry, and the dispossessed. in fact, apparently the ultimate test of who was a "true" believer that Jesus really recognized as such was IF those who claimed to be so actually fed the hungry, gave drink to the thirsty, and took care of the sick---pretty much describing the "poor" and how we should treat them then AND now. the idea that it "was easier for a camel to go through a needles eye than for the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven" probably scandalized lots of people then as wealth and success was usually considered a sign of God's special favor. as you probably know, He challenged a rich and apparently religious young man to "give all his possessions to the poor" so as to have treasure in heaven. finally there is this troubling statement: "you CANNOT serve both God and Mammon (money)"
so yes, Jesus was probably very much of an advocate for and lover of "bums"!!!
may God bless you.
Amen.
May He bless you as well.
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