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Old 08-13-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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You're the OP. I'm merely continuing along the line you're taking it.

"For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained."

-- 2nd Vatican Council
How convenient, 1962 data. You might as well quote the Catholic Church of the Inquisition.

The RCC states salvation is available to all, even those that never knew Jesus.
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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How convenient, 1962 data. You might as well quote the Catholic Church of the Inquisition.

The RCC states salvation is available to all, even those that never knew Jesus.
It was a Church Council. Was it not infallible?
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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So if you are born in a non-Christian country and you never heard of Jesus you are toast?

Is that the kind of God you worship? I cannot believe God would do that?

Can you explain how God could do that?
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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What about the Muslims?

And the Jews?

What happens to them?
While I do believe salvation will only come through acceptance of Jesus, I also believe before the final judgement all are given an opportunity to "see" this and make that choice.

Many who can't imagine doing so right now will do so in the end
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:43 PM
 
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While I do believe salvation will only come through acceptance of Jesus, I also believe before the final judgement all are given an opportunity to "see" this and make that choice.

Many who can't imagine doing so right now will do so in the end
Yes!! This is what I believe too. This is why I believe most people will be saved.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:18 PM
 
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So why did Jesus have to die?
He didn't have to die!

He was murdered by arrogant hypocrites.

We aren't saved by his death but by living a life around his teachings. We can't be perfect but we don't have to be.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:22 PM
 
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So....Jesus just came to earth....why?
To teach us the Narrow Way which leads to life. To show how powerful his father our God is.
He was an example of how we should strive to be.

We can't become as perfect as he was but we must do our best.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:43 PM
 
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To teach us the Narrow Way which leads to life. To show how powerful his father our God is.
He was an example of how we should strive to be.

We can't become as perfect as he was but we must do our best.
Yep, to be a Christian is to live like Jesus.

To accept Jesus for one second after living a life of sin is rather easy-------way too easy--------effortless. I think this is basically a preaching tool to gain parishioners in the church.
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Old 08-13-2013, 06:55 PM
 
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I think only God can truly judge, but I think they will go to heaven if they are good people. Especially the Jews as they are still God's chosen people, Israel is proof of this.

I think God will handle the Jews, Muslims, and everyone else. Many people did not have the chance to learn about God, or they weren't taught the full message, this is through no fault of their own. I think God understands as He is all knowing and merciful. There will also be a resurrection and a time of peace (the Jews call this time Olam Habana, meaning the world to come), I think God will give people another chance at this time.

It's not our concern, instead we need to show love towards them and share the gospel if they are inclined to hear it. I consider Judaism to be legitimate, it does teach about the one true God of Abraham, it's just incomplete. Though many Jews are mainly Jewish through ethnicity and culture and not religion, some even practice other religions (including Christianity).

Islam is also an Abraham religion as well with some truth, only downside is that it does teach things that are in direct contradiction with what Jesus and the OT taught. Muhammed was not a man of peace, sorry.
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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He didn't have to die!
He was murdered by arrogant hypocrites.
We aren't saved by his death but by living a life around his teachings. We can't be perfect but we don't have to be.
Adam was created with a sinless nature.
Jesus was born with a sinless nature.
Adam died because he sinned.[ lost his sinless nature ]
Jesus did Not sin, so Jesus would have never died and would be alive on earth today as a sinless human.
Jesus was sent to be a ransom for us [ Matthew 20 v 28 ] In order to be our ransom Jesus would have to pay with his sinless life that is why 1st John 1 v 7 says it is Jesus' blood [ Not his life ] that cleanses us from sin [ from our sins that are because of a sinful nature that we inherited from fallen Adam as our imperfect family head ]
Without Jesus death we would never have a resurrection.
We can not resurrect oneself or another, so we need someone who can resurrect us.
Jesus now has the keys to unlock death - Rev 1 v 18 - so Jesus can and will resurrect.
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