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Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven.
Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe. The Catholic Church believes in the Big Bang and in fact has an academy of sciences:
Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God.
The RCC is the original Christian church and in the middle ages made a lot of errors by following the Bible in a very strict manner. For example they went after Galileo citing the Bible.
When is the Protestant church going to enter the 21st century?
Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven.
Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe. The Catholic Church believes in the Big Bang and in fact has an academy of sciences:
Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God.
The RCC is the original Christian church and in the middle ages made a lot of errors by following the Bible in a very strict manner. For example they went after Galileo citing the Bible.
When is the Protestant church going to enter the 21st century?
I fail to see your point. How are Protestants still not in the 21st Century?
Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven.
Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe. The Catholic Church believes in the Big Bang and in fact has an academy of sciences:
Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God.
I'm not disputing your statements which are historically accurate. But you overlook one important element, the Catholic Church never held the genesis record of creation to be absolute: Pope Benedict XVI stated in his address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 2008, “My predecessors Pope Pius XII and Pope John Paul II noted that there is no opposition between faith’s understanding of creation and the evidence of the empirical sciences.” That’s because the Catholic Church does not hold a strictly literal interpretation of the Genesis story of creation, as do some Protestant denominations. Catholics view the creation as symbolic, like a parable. Also Catholics hold that the atheistic and materialistic ideology and naturalistic worldview inherent in much of evolutionary theory is to be exposed and opposed. Materialism denies the existence of anything that is immaterial and spiritual. Therefore, this philosophy refuses to accept the possibly of God’s creative action in the evolution of life. As Pope John Paul II stated in a 1986 General Audience, “It is clear that the truth of faith about creation is radically opposed to the theories of materialistic philosophy. These view the cosmos as the result of an evolution of matter reducible to pure chance and necessity.”
The RCC is the original Christian church and in the middle ages made a lot of errors by following the Bible in a very strict manner. For example they went after Galileo citing the Bible.
I'm just asking how did you arrive at that?
When is the Protestant church going to enter the 21st century?
Not sure if you mean supporting evolution or other issues.
I fail to see your point. How are Protestants still not in the 21st Century?
I am talking about the Protestants that believe in Sola Scriptura and the folks that take the bible literally. They are no different than the RCC of the Middle Ages.
That is the impression I get my reading many of the threads here.
The RCC went after Galileo because they interpret the bible in a literal sense.
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The Sun Stands Still
Joshua 10:1-15
12 On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel:
“Sun, stand still over Gibeon,
and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
13 So the sun stood still,
and the moon stopped,
till the nation avenged itself on[b] its enemies,
as it is written in the Book of Jashar.
The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!
The RCC told Galileo that the Bible said the sun was delayed going down in the sky (see bold). Therefore, the refuted they affirmed that the sun was orbiting the Earth rather than the other way around. Any Protestant that believes the Bible in this manner is still in the middle ages. Any Protestant that fails to see the allegory is still in the middle ages.
I am talking about the Protestants that believe in Sola Scriptura and the folks that take the bible literally. They are no different than the RCC of the Middle Ages.
That is the impression I get my reading many of the threads here.
The RCC went after Galileo because they interpret the bible in a literal sense.
The RCC told Galileo that the Bible said the sun was delayed going down in the sky (see bold). Therefore, the refuted they affirmed that the sun was orbiting the Earth rather than the other way around. Any Protestant that believes the Bible in this manner is still in the middle ages. Any Protestant that fails to see the allegory is still in the middle ages.
I agree some bible verses are difficult to interpret. When it says the sun stood still, it was what was seen and actual happened and that is what was written, it conforms that the human is limited, when he has to describe what he does not understands himself. It also proofs that the bible is not a dictate from heaven. When the RCC was persecuting Galileo, it proofs further that they were not tolerant, were not acting in love in an issue, that was not about salvation, but about obedience to a wrong church doctrine, a church, that claimed to be infallible. When Protestants act in the same way, they have the same religious spirit and that has nothing to do with the middle ages. If you think you can point your finger at Protestants, 4 fingers point to you, your threads proof it. If the RCC believes in the Big Bang and evolution they deny the creator and Jesus Christ who has created all things and what the bible tells us.how he created this world. That the univers and the planet earth is 6000 years old the bible does not say, it is interpretation. When God began his creation in Gen 1:3, the earth was already there as a chaos. When this chaos was caused by God`s judgement (Lucifer's sin) and not by creation in Gen 1:1, than we can assume that their was a world before Adam (2. Peter 3:5-7), scripture does not tell us much, but the earth itself gives us witness.
[quote=Julian658;31130005]The RCC told Galileo that the Bible said the sun was delayed going down in the sky (see bold). Therefore, the refuted they affirmed that the sun was orbiting the Earth rather than the other way around. Any Protestant that believes the Bible in this manner is still in the middle ages. Any Protestant that fails to see the allegory is still in the middle ages.[/QUOTE
““While scholars have been unable to come to a consensus on why Galileo was tried by the Inquisition, almost all historians agree that it was not primarily because Galileo believed in the Copernican heliocentrism””(Moy, 2001, p. 43)
““It is more historically accurate to conclude that …the main opponents of the new Copernican position
were academicians teaching science in the universities, and that much, if not most, of Galileo’’s support came from church officials””.
Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven.
Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe. The Catholic Church believes in the Big Bang and in fact has an academy of sciences:
Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God.
The RCC is the original Christian church and in the middle ages made a lot of errors by following the Bible in a very strict manner. For example they went after Galileo citing the Bible.
When is the Protestant church going to enter the 21st century?
Wow. Why do you insist on lumping all Protestants in the same boat? In fact, I'd say that most significant Protestant denominations don't have any issue with evolution at all. And I've never heard any Protestant, Fundie or not, declaring the Big Bang theory to be scripturally unsound.
In other words, you're just as bad as the Catholic bashers on this board.
Bible believing Christians are not stuck in the middle ages. They believe in what the Bible teaches. And they certainly ignore, hopefully, what Rome has to say about anything. Rome is a cesspool of idolatry, evil, and corruption of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
It also proofs that the bible is not a dictate from heaven. When the RCC was persecuting Galileo, it proofs further that they were not tolerant, were not acting in love in an issue, that was not about salvation, but about obedience to a wrong church doctrine, a church, that claimed to be infallible.
I am glad you believe the Bible is not infallible. I am also gratified you accept that the bible is not a dictate from heaven. You are not in the middle ages!
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When Protestants act in the same way, they have the same religious spirit and that has nothing to do with the middle ages. If you think you can point your finger at Protestants, 4 fingers point to you, your threads proof it.
The Catholic Church of that era was corrupted and not that advanced. They believed the bible literally, I agree. But, why would Protestants of this era believe that the Bible is infallible?
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If the RCC believes in the Big Bang and evolution they deny the creator and Jesus Christ who has created all things and what the bible tells us.how he created this world. That the univers and the planet earth is 6000 years old the bible does not say, it is interpretation. When God began his creation in Gen 1:3, the earth was already there as a chaos. When this chaos was caused by God`s judgement (Lucifer's sin) and not by creation in Gen 1:1, than we can assume that their was a world before Adam (2. Peter 3:5-7), scripture does not tell us much, but the earth itself gives us witness.
The RCC understands the Big Bang and evolution. They simply add that it happened under the guidance of God. That in itself does not deny the creator. The RCC also understands that Genesis is allegoric.
Bible believing Christians are not stuck in the middle ages. They believe in what the Bible teaches. And they certainly ignore, hopefully, what Rome has to say about anything. Rome is a cesspool of idolatry, evil, and corruption of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I agree, all religion is flawed. But, the RCC is the original Christian faith, the church that preserved Christianity for the world and gave the Protestants the NT. But, that is another issue.
The issue is not believing in evolution or not believing in the Big Bang theory because of the lack of interpretation of the Bible and failing to understand the Bible is allegoric. That is a medieval outlook!
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