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well, I have always been told Christians affirm that at conversion God forgives all our sins- past, present and future, once and for all. This suggests we need not be as troubled over whether our loved one has asked for forgiveness for all their sins before the suicide. Christian salvation is not dependent on whether a person was able to wipe the slate clean at the moment of death, but rather whether the person was walking in relationship with God in life.
Am I wrong about this?
Also, many Christians throughout church history have considered suicide an unforgivable sin because it allows no possibility of repentance. But virtually all deaths occur without whoelly cleansed consciences. If someone dies from a sudden heart attack, chances are that person died without asking for forgiveness for any number of sins.
So how a suicide death be any different from a sudden death, e.g. a car accident, a sudden heart attack, etc, etc.
well, I have always been told Christians affirm that at conversion God forgives all our sins- past, present and future, once and for all. This suggests we need not be as troubled over whether our loved one has asked for forgiveness for all their sins before the suicide. Christian salvation is not dependent on whether a person was able to wipe the slate clean at the moment of death, but rather whether the person was walking in relationship with God in life.
Am I wrong about this?
Also, many Christians throughout church history have considered suicide an unforgivable sin because it allows no possibility of repentance. But virtually all deaths occur without whoelly cleansed consciences. If someone dies from a sudden heart attack, chances are that person died without asking for forgiveness for any number of sins.
So how a suicide death be any different from a sudden death, e.g. a car accident, a sudden heart attack, etc, etc.
Hi Lilyflower. Many Christians don't understand, or accept the reality of the believer's eternal security. But the Bible teaches that eternal salvation is by grace, through faith, and not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9). And Jesus said on the Cross after all sin in the human race had been judged, 'Tetelestai' - 'it is finished.' But it is better translated as 'it has been accomplished' (John 19:30). Every sin in the history of the human race, past, present, and future, had been poured out on Christ and judged. Since all sin was judged at the cross (Romans 8:3), God is able to forgive the sins of the unbeliever at the moment of salvation (Acts 10:43). The moment you simply place your faith in Christ you are eternally saved. And God is able to forgive the sins the believer commits after salvation when he simply names the sins he commits to God (1 John 1:9). When the believer names his known sins, his unknown and forgotten sins are forgiven as well.
The judicial punishment of sin was done at the cross. The forgiveness of sins is a relational matter. When the believer sins, it puts him out of fellowship with God and under the control of his old sin nature, but it does not jeopardize his salvation. If a believer dies with unforgiven sin because he did not acknowledge or name the sin to God, he is still eternally saved. While the believer can be disciplined for sin, he is disciplined as a son (Hebrews 12:5-11).
If a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ commits suicide, he does not lose his salvation, but goes to heaven.
If a person accepts Jesus Christ today on August 29th as that person's Savior, it does NOT mean that sins committed tomorrow are automatically forgiven.
The notion of OSAS is an idiotic notion that far too many Christians believe in. This is a doctrine that makes people think that they are equal to God, which is an antichristian idea.
If a person commits suicide, Jesus Christ will decide whether that person is worthy of going to Heaven or not. I will let Him decide that person's fate.
If a peson dies of a heart attack tomorrow, then Jesus Christ will determine if he is worthy of going to Heaven or not.
Suicide is not a heart attack. Suicide, by Christians, has historically been considered an act of defiance and rebellion against God. The Bible says that "the Lord Gives and the Lord takes away". God has given us our life, and given us a new birth in Jesus Christ and now the life we live in and for God. "You are not your own, you were bought with a price, therefore honor God with your body." So if someone commits suicide, its considered rebellion against God's order and authority, just like ending someone else's life. as in murder or abortion.
Shalom lilyflower!
Don`t be deceived and play with eternity! Suicide is not an unforgivable sin, but if God does not give a change to repent, it is murder and the bible says that is a sin to death. No entrance into Heaven. Sorry. God judges us according to His word.
I just read another testimony of a Baptist pastor, Placebo by Howard Pittmann, who died and was before the throne of God. He served 35 years the Lord, but his selfish life God was not pleased with and he hardly escaped God`s eternal wrath, but he testifies that a christian can go to hell. I experienced the same, believing in OSAS I did not confessed my sins to the Lord and went to hell. Every Christian that was shown in hell said "Lord now I repent", but it was too late. I am sure many believed in OSAS, but this is a lie from the pit of hell.
Shalom lilyflower!
Don`t be deceived and play with eternity! Suicide is not an unforgivable sin, but if God does not give a change to repent, it is murder and the bible says that is a sin to death. No entrance into Heaven. Sorry. God judges us according to His word.
I just read another testimony of a Baptist pastor, Placebo by Howard Pittmann, who died and was before the throne of God. He served 35 years the Lord, but his selfish life God was not pleased with and he hardly escaped God`s eternal wrath, but he testifies that a christian can go to hell. I experienced the same, believing in OSAS I did not confessed my sins to the Lord and went to hell. Every Christian that was shown in hell said "Lord now I repent", but it was too late. I am sure many believed in OSAS, but this is a lie from the pit of hell.
You went to hell and once you're there it's "too late". And yet, here you are, not in hell. Is that just a temporary reprieve and when you die you're headed back to hell? Or are you just a special case where "too late" isn't really too late?
well, I have always been told Christians affirm that at conversion God forgives all our sins- past, present and future, once and for all. This suggests we need not be as troubled over whether our loved one has asked for forgiveness for all their sins before the suicide. Christian salvation is not dependent on whether a person was able to wipe the slate clean at the moment of death, but rather whether the person was walking in relationship with God in life.
Am I wrong about this?
Also, many Christians throughout church history have considered suicide an unforgivable sin because it allows no possibility of repentance. But virtually all deaths occur without whoelly cleansed consciences. If someone dies from a sudden heart attack, chances are that person died without asking for forgiveness for any number of sins.
So how a suicide death be any different from a sudden death, e.g. a car accident, a sudden heart attack, etc, etc.
Suicide is not the unforgivable sin. The unforgivable sin is to step out of this world without trusting Christ.
Everything you've been reading here so far is pure religious dogma---"POLICY" put in place by 'holy" men (who were anything but holy) over the centuries who were more interested in controlling people with fear than they were saving their souls. Even today men in high positions of power threaten their church members with eternal torment in hell if they don't follow the "narrow path" that ultimately leads to the front door of their bank.
Suicide is not a good thing, in fact it is a terrible thing but nothing condemns a person to hell for eternity. Again reads these words carefully: eternal torment in a fiery hell is a "POLICY" invented by church leaders in collusion with political leaders way back in 500 AD to keep the ignorant unwashed masses in obedience to them.
Please read this short page. It will assure you that suicide is not a one-way ticket to hell, though it is greatly discouraged and creates serious problems for the spirit apart from punishment in hell, because it is, after all, murder.
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