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Old 09-10-2013, 01:22 PM
 
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al·le·go·ry [al-uh-gawr-ee, -gohr-ee] Show IPA
noun, plural al·le·go·ries.
1.
a representation of an abstract or spiritual meaning through concrete or material forms; figurative treatment of one subject under the guise of another.
2.
a symbolical narrative: the allegory of Piers Plowman.
3.
emblem ( def 3 ) .
You cannot confound the word of Jesus with human logic or understanding. What has that have anything to do with hell not being a real place?
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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I've read way to many threads in here where a poster of one Christian faith has jumped down the throat of another Christian poster of a different faith. Why is there so much hatred between our faiths? We all have one major and most important thing in common. We believe that Jesus Christ is our savior and reedemer. why must we all bicker so much among ourselves about our differences in getting to Christ? Doesn't seem very "Christian" to me.
Why ... maybe because there is no such thing as two different Christian faiths.
The below post is a fine example of why there can never be acceptance if one has the zeal for the truth

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The RCC has changed and is now ahead of the curve. Muslims and Jews are saved:

From the Catechism:
[1] The Church and non-Christians

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

There is even a plan for those that never knew Jesus:
[2] Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

Both [1] and [2] are flat out unbiblical which in many other OP's have thoroughly been shown as to why they are.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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Why ... maybe because there is no such thing as two different Christian faiths.
The below post is a fine example of why there can never be acceptance if one has the zeal for the truth
[/indent]Both [1] and [2] are flat out unbiblical which in many other OP's have thoroughly been shown as to why they are.
All that means is that they are not Biblean. It says nothing about whether or not they are Christian. Only an evaluation using the "mind of Christ" (WWJT) would matter.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:42 PM
 
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Why ... maybe because there is no such thing as two different Christian faiths.
The below post is a fine example of why there can never be acceptance if one has the zeal for the truth


[/indent]Both [1] and [2] are flat out unbiblical which in many other OP's have thoroughly been shown as to why they are.
The RCC precedes the New testament

In fact, the RCC selected which books were inspired by God and put the New testament together.

There is much more to Catholicism than the NT.

This is just a simple historical fact.

This concept "it is not in the Bible" is very limiting. God is much more than the Bible. To summarize God with a collection of books is incredibly naive.


Why are you unable to accept the differences. I can see why fundamentalists use the Bible and only the Bible. I have an understanding as to why they do this. Why are you unable to see that the RCC sponsored the NT for Christianity?
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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I've read way to many threads in here where a poster of one Christian faith has jumped down the throat of another Christian poster of a different faith. Why is there so much hatred between our faiths? We all have one major and most important thing in common. We believe that Jesus Christ is our savior and reedemer. why must we all bicker so much among ourselves about our differences in getting to Christ? Doesn't seem very "Christian" to me.
There are some things worth arguing over. Oftentimes what an observer may see as 2 Christians fighting, is instead a Christian and a non-Christian cultist arguing over an essential belief of the faith.

I guess it depends on who they are and what specifically they are arguing about. If it's about the color of carpet in the sanctuary (and some churches HAVE split over that) ....well, that's wrong. It's not an essential. If, however; it's about something like the divine nature of Christ? Well, that is something I'll go to the mat over.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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The RCC precedes the New testament

In fact, the RCC selected which books were inspired by God and put the New testament together.

There is much more to Catholicism than the NT.

This is just a simple historical fact.

This concept "it is not in the Bible" is very limiting. God is much more than the Bible. To summarize God with a collection of books is incredibly naive.


Why are you unable to accept the differences. I can see why fundamentalists use the Bible and only the Bible. I have an understanding as to why they do this. Why are you unable to see that the RCC sponsored the NT for Christianity?
The question is, of course, does God lie? Would he put contradicting things in his Word and then tell his church something else?
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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The reason there is conflict, is because false teaching corrupts the pure Gospel. There are some who are Christian who are corrupted by these false teachings, and so it is Jesus expectation upon His people to contend for the truth.

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

Gal 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

Ro 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. Ro 16:18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

So Christians are supposed to contend for the truth and refute false teachings. Jesus warned "a little yeast infects the whole lumb", and this is certainly true. Even a little false doctrine can destroy someones faith and lead them away.
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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But who determines what is false teachings? After all everyone is using the same Bible and referring to it.
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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The hard truth is that many believers know for their witness of God and Jesus Spirit , where there is a daily witness of His grace on their life , and know through God Grace that they are going to heaven and have No questions , Then there are many who questions their salvation and have no daily witness of God and His grace , and do not know if they pass on today that they would go to heaven ............ So there is a passions where people who have the grace of God daily on their life would like it if all could have a daily witness and be blessed in Christ , as some Churches teach of Christianity as liberalized and anything Goes ,...............But in the churches who have passions for the love of God and receive His grace can get perplexed by the fallen church , where some can get hostile in the love and some can corrupt and invite the spirit of antichrist to posses their ideas, and some who have grace and short on discernment in spirits can be deceive .............. Through the will of God is that people do not have to adopt the fallen churches ideas , but to listen to the truths that that may have , and just spit out the bones in teaching which is not accepted , and love one to another
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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The question is, of course, does God lie? Would he put contradicting things in his Word and then tell his church something else?
Good is perfection. The men that wrote the bible were inspired, but they made assertions that reflected the primitive and violent conditions of that era.

Sadly, modern era Christians do not interpret correctly.

Lastly, the printing press was invented in 1450. Christianity was spread by oral tradition. Copies of the NT were very scarce. I suspect the few available bibles were copied by hand by Catholic monks in the monasteries.

Abundant copies of the bible are a very recent phenomenon in Christianity. Oral tradition worked quite well in the old days. The early Christians relied on the few Catholic bishops that had a copy of the bible.
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