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View Poll Results: Did Jesus come to Renew the Covenant or establish a New Covenant with Israel
Renewed Covenant 1 3.70%
New Covenant 24 88.89%
Renewed with changes 2 7.41%
I dont know 0 0%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-11-2019, 05:38 AM
 
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Oh, put a sock in it with your idiotic rants.
Joel is not an idiot...
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:48 AM
 
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What is idiotic is you and every Christian speaking about being under the covenant of Jeremiah 31, and that covenant is strictly for Ephraim and Judah, when you and the rest of Christians become Ephraim, you let me know.

You are not in the same religion as those first Gentile converts, not even close, they were in the religion of Jesus Mike, and you think you are in the same religion Jesus practiced?

Modern Christianity did not exist for at least 6 decades after Jesus died.

Your claim to be in the same religion as Jesus practiced is just not true, you don't even have the same Sabbath, not to mention that your holy days has everything to do with Tammuz, not Jesus.

You accepted an ancient Babylonian worship system and slapped the name of Jesus on it to then make the overthetop wild claim that the covenant of Jeremiah 31 has something to do with you, when it factually does not. Messiah only brings a covenant for Ephraim and Judah.

The point was for Gentiles to become one with Jews in the same religion, YOUR POINT is Separation.

SEPARATION AND DIVISION OF GENTILES AND ISRAEL IS WHAT JESUS CAME TO FIX.

You marry a Jew.
It actually doesn’t even say that the Mashiach will bring the New Covenant, it merely says that G-d will make a New Covenant with Judah and Israel and that He will put His Torah into the hearts of Israel...Nothing about Mashiach bringing that New Covenant...
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Old 08-11-2019, 10:32 AM
 
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It actually doesn’t even say that the Mashiach will bring the New Covenant, it merely says that G-d will make a New Covenant with Judah and Israel and that He will put His Torah into the hearts of Israel...Nothing about Mashiach bringing that New Covenant...
I was the only one who voted a renewed covenant, and like you say, the Lord came to put his laws in the hearts lf Israel.
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Old 08-11-2019, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I was the only one who voted a renewed covenant, and like you say, the Lord came to put his laws in the hearts lf Israel.
How about the hearts of ALL PEOPLE, not that which is written on stone or papas?
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Old 08-11-2019, 03:05 PM
 
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How about the hearts of ALL PEOPLE, not that which is written on stone or papas?
That is the question, did the first point to the second evolution, and does the second evolution point to a third?

The facts are these,'' Gentiles converted to a sect of Judaism thereby becoming co-heirs with Jews, and when Gentiles became as Jews, there was no difference between Gentile and Jew because the Gentile became a Jew.''

I can honestly say, and prove WITHOUT ANY DOUBT that Christians today are not Israel, Christians today did not convert to the same religion Jesus practiced, they are certainly no longer grafted and adopted into Israel because of the fact that they reject the betrothal offered by Jesus.

This isn't my opinion, it is the facts of the written covenant, and Christians quoting the New Testament are quoting what was said about Gentile converts to Judaism, Christianity was a sect of Judaism with a majority of Pharisees who became our first church fathers as we became one with Jews BECAUSE we accepted God's worship system and rejected our former pagan worship systems.

FACT-------Gentiles ONLY have a way into Israel BECAUSE of the void in Israel with it's ten lost tribes.The ten tribes became lost because they did exactly what Christians do today.

FACT---------The ten lost tribes lost their kingdom and were scattered into the Gentile nations as seeds, and God ended their kingdom BECAUSE they Rejected Jerusalem, their desire was SEPARATION FROM JUDAH. God ended their kingdom specifically because they accepted Christmas and Easter and rejected Tabernacles and Passover---SPECIFICALLY.

FACT--- Those first Gentiles were grafted and adopted into Israel ONLY BECAUSE they came back with respect of the law, they now REJECTED pagan Sabbaths and Holy days, and accepted the feasts of Jerusalem to make them one with the chosen.

Everything said in the New Testament was said to Gentile converts to the religion Jesus practiced,'' Judaism.''


FACT----Gentiles no longer come under the covenant made for Israel and Judah because of the fact that Christians no longer convert, and what religion would a Gentile convert to when there was only the law and the prophets, when there was only one religion involved?

THE QUESTION----------Has the promise evolved to all mankind?

THE ONLY QUESTION------IS EVERY HUMAN ISRAEL AND JUDAH?

We know for a fact that modern Christians ARE NOT ISRAEL AND ARE NOT JUDAH. THAT IS REALITY.


Having said that, here is the last question.

"' Does the two kingdoms of Israel represent what a man is?''

''Are the two kingdoms of Israel your right eye and your left eye, and is the city between the two kingdoms your soul?.'


If we can prove that, we can prove that God wrote his laws in the hearts of every man.

But again, Israel became lawless, not Judah. God writes HIS LAWS in the hearts of the lawless, and it is still his laws.
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Old 08-15-2019, 02:30 AM
 
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I was the only one who voted a renewed covenant, and like you say, the Lord came to put his laws in the hearts lf Israel.
This cannot happen until G-d gathers all Israel back into the fold with Judah..
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:48 AM
 
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I was the only one who voted a renewed covenant, and like you say, the Lord came to put his laws in the hearts lf Israel.
I think you were the only one...how encouraging!
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:28 AM
 
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I think you were the only one...how encouraging!
Expected, besides Rabbi, I am the only one here that believes in the same religion Jesus practiced, the only one who can quote the covenant and read what it says besides Richard, both me and Richard agree with what the covenant actually says.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:53 PM
 
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Expected, besides Rabbi, I am the only one here that believes in the same religion Jesus practiced, the only one who can quote the covenant and read what it says besides Richard, both me and Richard agree with what the covenant actually says.
That should give you a clue about how wrong you and Richard are. You would have been among those who rejected Jesus and sought His crucifixion if you were back there then.
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:54 AM
 
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That should give you a clue about how wrong you and Richard are. You would have been among those who rejected Jesus and sought His crucifixion if you were back there then.
There it goes again, blaming the Jews for the crucifixion...
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