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Old 09-17-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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It has been stated by a Christian pastor that genocide, slavery, and rape can be considered moral and acceptable in certain contexts. Here I'm asking for elaboration on this and wondering if Christians typically believe this to be the case.

Please provide a context where killing EVERY LIVING CREATURE, including children, babies, fetuses, animals, etc... is justified.

Please provide a context where it is moral for one person to OWN another, where the owner is allowed to beat his slave, another human being, so long as he/she doesn't die within two days.

Please provide a context where young women are allowed to be enslaved and kept by soldiers for themselves.
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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It has been stated by a Christian pastor that genocide, slavery, and rape can be considered moral and acceptable in certain contexts. Here I'm asking for elaboration on this and wondering if Christians typically believe this to be the case.

Please provide a context where killing EVERY LIVING CREATURE, including children, babies, fetuses, animals, etc... is justified.

Please provide a context where it is moral for one person to OWN another, where the owner is allowed to beat his slave, another human being, so long as he/she doesn't die within two days.

Please provide a context where young women are allowed to be enslaved and kept by soldiers for themselves.
How do you know he was a Christian pastor?
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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It has been stated by a Christian pastor that genocide, slavery, and rape can be considered moral and acceptable in certain contexts. Here I'm asking for elaboration on this and wondering if Christians typically believe this to be the case.

Please provide a context where killing EVERY LIVING CREATURE, including children, babies, fetuses, animals, etc... is justified.

Please provide a context where it is moral for one person to OWN another, where the owner is allowed to beat his slave, another human being, so long as he/she doesn't die within two days.

Please provide a context where young women are allowed to be enslaved and kept by soldiers for themselves.
See, I'd really like to answer you, but I see through your thinly veiled agenda against God and realize there is just no point in even trying.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:18 PM
 
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How do you know he was a Christian pastor?
He's a member of this forum and has made the statements in another thread.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:22 PM
 
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I'm a Christian, I do not agree with any of those things. We were ALL created equal.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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It has been stated by a Christian pastor that genocide, slavery, and rape can be considered moral and acceptable in certain contexts. Here I'm asking for elaboration on this and wondering if Christians typically believe this to be the case.
It's not moral. God has never said those things are moral.
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Please provide a context where killing EVERY LIVING CREATURE, including children, babies, fetuses, animals, etc... is justified.
Genesis 6. God saw that the world was evil and decided to execute all living creatures, save a few that he picked.

He created the world--he can decide to do with it what he wants.

Romans 9:20-21

"On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,†will it?
21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? "
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Please provide a context where it is moral for one person to OWN another, where the owner is allowed to beat his slave, another human being, so long as he/she doesn't die within two days.
God never endorsed slavery. God recognized that people would do it anyway, though...so he required them to treat them better than the nations around them.
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Please provide a context where young women are allowed to be enslaved and kept by soldiers for themselves.
If the alternative is to kill them in war (as was common at the time, this is actually pretty good treatment).
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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God never endorsed slavery. God recognized that people would do it anyway, though...so he required them to treat them better than the nations around them.
So god didn't think people would listen to him if he said don't have slaves, but thought people would follow his advice on how to treat them?

Did he do this for other things? For example, god doesn't endorse murder, but recognized people would do it anyway, so he required it to happen in a certain way?
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:32 PM
 
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So god didn't think people would listen to him if he said don't have slaves, but thought people would follow his advice on how to treat them?
They proved they wouldn't listen to him. They repeatedly went against his commands.

Also, keep in mind that slaves captured in war are treated a whole lot better than just killing them on the battlefield.
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Did he do this for other things? For example, god doesn't endorse murder, but recognized people would do it anyway, so he required it to happen in a certain way?
No.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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IMO, people tend to talk about morality or moral standards in a worldly context ... while God seeks righteousness. There are many things that the world and its polls consider 'right' or 'true' -- which, by God's standard of righteousness ... are neither.

Moral standards tend to change over time and culture -- and men tend to devise new 'rules' and laws as society changes. But, like God, God's standard of righteousness is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. (Some may rightly claim that OT laws and standards are no longer applicable today, but, God's righteousness has never been defined by rules and laws).
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:49 PM
 
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He's a member of this forum and has made the statements in another thread.
That doesn't make someone a Christian.
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