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View Poll Results: Did Adam & Eve, Abraham, and Noad Observe the Sabbath Day
YES, but it was not recorded in scriptures 6 25.00%
NO, there was no command to do so until Moses 18 75.00%
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Old 03-16-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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Sabbath is simply a day of not doing work. It wasn't until the Talmud was written that it became a laundry list of things not to be done by Jews. Israelis still work six days a week, while the Christians have turned into two days a week.

So if we go by the Talmud which is commentary on the Torah (Jewish Bible), work done in relation to saving or keeping one alive allows one to violate the Sabbath. So if Noah and Abraham were herdsmen, then tending to their animals was related to saving life as the herds had to eat and drink daily. As to Adam & Eve, they probably had no Sabbath as they had to forage daily for food to survive.

The argument today is usually, What is considered work?
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Old 03-16-2015, 04:15 PM
 
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The argument today is usually, What is considered work?
Per the Talmud, this:

Activities prohibited on Shabbat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Judaism 101: Shabbat
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Old 03-16-2015, 04:28 PM
 
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Genesis 2-3
2 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
I hear so many say this verse is proof that the Sabbath existed since creation.
I don't see any record of it in scriptures showing that they did observe it, but the argument can go both ways that they either did and it is not recorded or they didn't because there was no command to do so until the time of Moses.
God rested from His ' creative works ', and God's Rest Day was still on-going in Paul's day - Hebrews chapter 4
That does Not mean God stopped working all together because as Jesus said at John 5:17 they both work.
Jesus took up the spiritual work of Luke 4:43

The temporary Sabbaths were only under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law and only for the nation of ancient Israel.
That ended at Pentecost with the founding of the Christian congregation. Noah kept No Sabbath keeping.
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Old 03-16-2015, 06:21 PM
 
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God rested from His ' creative works ', and God's Rest Day was still on-going in Paul's day - Hebrews chapter 4
That does Not mean God stopped working all together because as Jesus said at John 5:17 they both work.
Jesus took up the spiritual work of Luke 4:43

The temporary Sabbaths were only under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law and only for the nation of ancient Israel.
That ended at Pentecost with the founding of the Christian congregation. Noah kept No Sabbath keeping.
The first sabbath law was given before the 10 commandments were given, but still while the Israelites were i9n the wilderness and they did not know what to do with someone breaking it till Moses settled the matter.

ASV Exodus 16:25-27 25 And Moses said, Eat that to-day; for to-day is a sabbath unto Jehovah: to-day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that there went out some of the people to gather, and they found none.

Of the 10 commandments which included the sabbath God said:

KJV Deuteronomy 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

KJV Deuteronomy 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

God has His rest but the sabbath for man came in Moses day as a new law.
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Old 08-02-2015, 10:15 AM
 
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It is written; Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Why would God command to remember the Sabbath if it never was established?
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Old 08-02-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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It is written; Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Why would God command to remember the Sabbath if it never was established?
He didn't command us He commanded the Jews.
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Old 08-03-2015, 07:16 AM
 
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He didn't command us He commanded the Jews.
Then Christians should be inline with Muslims who have no day a rest. A few hours used towards prayer and off to work you go 24/7/365.
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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re: "Did Adam & Eve, Abraham, Noah Observe the Sabbath?"


Perhaps not, but doesn't it seem a bit odd that Genesis 2:3 sanctifies (sets apart for a sacred purpose) the seventh day and then ignores that purpose for 2500 years? Is it completely unreasonable to think that the commandments mentioned in Genesis 26:5, some 400 years before Sinai, might not include the command to keep the seventh day holy?


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Old 08-10-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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Perhaps not, but doesn't it seem a bit odd that Genesis 2:3 sanctifies (sets apart for a sacred purpose) the seventh day and then ignores that purpose for 2500 years? Is it completely unreasonable to think that the commandments mentioned in Genesis 26:5, some 400 years before Sinai, might not include the command to keep the seventh day holy?


It would be very reasonable. God rested, it was His rest Day not man's, so man had nothing to do with it.

The Law given to Moses, while no longer in effect, does contain at heart principles to guide us and that means not pursuing work/money, etc every day. It is interesting that 9 of the 10 Commandments are specifically mentioned as applicable to Christians in the NT, but the Sabbath is not and in fact is spoken of by Paul as something no one should judge another by. Kinda makes it clear that Commandment is not binding now. If it were, the sabbath is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, so that eliminates Sunday from being special at all.

Plus the 7th day is still going on (they were not 24 hour days) and ... Adam's sin is the problem and that will be taken care of fully and the day will finish properly, as God will at that time say "an evening and a morning a 7th day and it was good".
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:38 AM
 
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Except Jesus is our rest, our Sabbath in this new covenant of grace - remember, the Sabbath was made for man - not the other way around.

There is a rest for the people of God, for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. (Heb 4)
And the people of G-d are the Chosen Ones...
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