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If we aren't supposed to call any man on earth father, why do some religions practice this? They are called "Father such and such." This scripture does not mean biological father, as I think we can all agree on that. What is your understanding of Matt 23:9? And callnoman your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Why do some religions call their pastor, bishop, etc "father".
This message from Jesus was to make sure that the leaders do not become proud or arrogant , but to remain Humble before the Lord , but if a leader rejects the proud spirit and humbles himself and shows His humility to the people who he may be leading then people can give him a leaders title ............. See believers who get proud and tolerate to proud nature , stand up when Jesus has His believers seated together , and look down on people , God will know the heart ,................ And then if the proud believer attracts demons who will prop him up , then repentance on to death can be the call of God , which can be dangerous for people who tolerate pride and are blind to the authority of pride in the spirit .......... Then to say no leader can be called father , teacher is legalism , and you should not judge the leaders who have that title but you should hold up the leader in supplementary prayer
That bible passage is taken out of context. Jesus was talking about the bad teachers in that passage, not the good ones. People in the OT were called fathers. Teachers and leaders were called fathers.
If Jesus was being strict about it then we couldn't even call our bio father on earth our father.
That bible passage is taken out of context. Jesus was talking about the bad teachers in that passage, not the good ones. People in the OT were called fathers. Teachers and leaders were called fathers.
If Jesus was being strict about it then we couldn't even call our bio father on earth our father.
Jesus was stating the fact. We all have one Father who is God and Christ revealed him to the world. When we give the title to any other person we do not glorify God, except we qualify his Fatherhood ie my carnal Father, earthly Father etc. Christ was reminding us that only one person is worthy of being called Father.
If we aren't supposed to call any man on earth father, why do some religions practice this? They are called "Father such and such." This scripture does not mean biological father, as I think we can all agree on that. What is your understanding of Matt 23:9? And callnoman your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Why do some religions call their pastor, bishop, etc "father".
This post is very misleading.
Jesus is talking about men that pretend to be upright and pious for show.
Jesus says: Do not call them Rabbi, father, or teacher.
Read the whole thing.
I assume this came from the mouth of your minister during his weekly anti-catholic sermon. He was wrong!!!!!!
Jesus is talking about men that pretend to be upright and pious for show.
Jesus says: Do not call them Rabbi, father, or teacher.
Read the whole thing.
I assume this came from the mouth of your minister during his weekly anti-catholic sermon. He was wrong!!!!!!
No, he wasn't. Talking about the practices of those who sought the fawning of men was only the background and major reason to abjure the practice. The fact that those who enforce the practice today do it to bolster their usurped authority is only good reason not to allow it, Catholic or not, and that applies to "Reverend" or anything else.
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No, he wasn't. Talking about the practices of those who sought the fawning of men was only the background and major reason to abjure the practice. The fact that those who enforce the practice today do it to bolster their usurped authority is only good reason not to allow it, Catholic or not, and that applies to "Reverend" or anything else.
For the love of God!!
Why so much acrimony???
Why take a simple text out of context????
Here is the entire text in easy to read English. I will even highlight the important parts:
Quote:
Matthew 23:4-13
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
4 They make strict rules that are hard for people to obey. They try to force others to obey all their rules. But they themselves will not try to follow any of those rules.
5 “The only reason they do what they do is for other people to see them. They make the little Scripture boxes[a] they wear bigger and bigger. And they make the tassels[b] on their prayer clothes long enough for people to notice them. 6 These men love to have the places of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues. 7 They love for people to show respect to them in the marketplaces and to call them ‘Teacher.’
OK, so that is the premise. Make sure you read the bolded parts to see if you get the meaning of the words.
Here is the rest:
Quote:
8 “But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher. 9 And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven. 10 And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah.
The issue of not calling anyone a teacher, Rabbi, Father, Master, etc has to do with the above verses in bold.
The context of Matthew 23 emphasizes the sin of pride among the scribes and Pharisees. They loved to be called “teacher”, “father”, or “Rabbi," but their pride pointed men to themselves rather than to God the Father from whom they received true fatherhood and in whom their fatherhood subsisted. Outside of God the Father, there are no fathers at all in the true sense of the term. But in God, we have all sorts of true "fathers."
Ultimately, Jesus is condemning the usurpation of the fatherhood of God in Matthew's Gospel, not the proper participation in that fatherhood.
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. He was wrong!!!!!!
I went to the source---
