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Prove it where Jesus the Good News of our Heavenly Father offended anyone. It was those who persecuted the prophets(Your fundamentalist anscestors) that hated everything Jesus Christ did.
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Originally Posted by pcamps
Finn Jarber,
You have taken one instance in the ministry of Jesus completely out of context to make out the truth is offensive. Jesus never said anything offensive in the instance you are referring too, if the hearer had understood what he was saying rather than thinking like a literal minded fundamentalist like yourself does, rather than thinking he was literally saying eat his flesh and drink his blood, there would have been none offended. You for certain would have been offended by that statement of Jesus on the basis that you apparently only believe something what you see in the bible, and there is nothing in OT scriptures about eating flesh and drinking blood, so without a doubt you would have rejected his statement and been offended by it.
What we do know from the gospels is, fundamentalists like yourself were offended by every wonderful act that Jesus commited. Offended when he healed, offended when he freely forgave, offended when he exposed their hypocrisy, offended for doing things on the sabbath, offended for dining with sinners, offended for showing mercy, offended for calling God is Father, offended when he called them white washed tombs and children of hell. You like all fundamentalists because of your love affair with the letter that kills, hate the thought that God has been and always will be for those you believe he's against. You are still very much under the law, your use of the scriptures clearly shows that you are. You are all easily offended by such things because your idea of God is one of everything Jesus never was and IS.
You no longer can hide behind the letter that kills(the scriptures will always be that to you until you repent from Giving them God like status), you have been outed from behind veil of death you hide behind.
If you say so, but what I said is still true. People are offended by the Gospel itself, which is the topic of the thread.
If you took the time to actually think about it, Finn, you would realize that it isn't the Gospel of Christ that offends people. It is the blind, mindless, literal fundy interpretations of the mixture of barbaric OT and NT scriptures untested against the Holy Spirit that offends. There is nothing more anti-Christ than condemning, judging, and discriminating against others because YOU think they are sinners. Jesus made it a point to associate with those who were considered sinners. There is hardly a more blatant corruption of His example than to shun or otherwise negatively treat others you think are sinners.
If you took the time to actually think about it, Finn, you would realize that it isn't the Gospel of Christ that offends people. It is the blind, mindless, literal fundy interpretations of the mixture of barbaric OT and NT scriptures untested against the Holy Spirit that offends. There is nothing more anti-Christ than condemning, judging, and discriminating against others because YOU think they are sinners. Jesus made it a point to associate with those who were considered sinners. There is hardly a more blatant corruption of His example than to shun or otherwise negatively treat others you think are sinners.
Mr. Jarber isn't going to comprehend this! Or, that Christ Jesus was sent to overcome sin and death in the flesh, which is the highest culminating point of man's religion.
If you took the time to actually think about it, Finn, you would realize that it isn't the Gospel of Christ that offends people. It is the blind, mindless, literal fundy interpretations of the mixture of barbaric OT and NT scriptures untested against the Holy Spirit that offends.
Is that what Jesus told His disciples to preach? I ask, because they were killed for the message which they preached, and we all know they preached the Gospel. People were offended by the Gospel. If you took the time to think about it, you would understand it.
I am not saying the Gospel is the only thing in the world that offends (someone said even color purple offends some people), but that is the topic of this thread.
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There is nothing more anti-Christ than condemning, judging, and discriminating against others because YOU think they are sinners.
Then you should stop judging. After all, you do think those "fundis" people are sinning, and you do judge them. As a matter of fact, you rarely do anything but judge them. But again, that is not the topic here, so you are one trying to derail the thread.
Is that what Jesus told His disciples to preach? I ask, because they were killed for the message which they preached, and we all know they preached the Gospel. People were offended by the Gospel. If you took the time to think about it, you would understand it.
I am not saying the Gospel is the only thing in the world that offends (someone said even color purple offends some people), but that is the topic of this thread.
Then you should stop judging. After all, you do think those "fundis" people are sinning, and you do judge them. As a matter of fact, you rarely do anything but judge them. But again, that is not the topic here, so you are one trying to derail the thread.
Who are these people?. Please identify these people by the scriptures. Throughout the history of the church, it's had blood on its hands, what kind of a gospel is that, that to progress it, the shedding of blood was necessary?.
Were Peter and Paul killed in Rome by evil fundies? No. They were killed because they preached the Gospel. Had they kept their mouths shut, they would have died of old age.
Andrew was crucified in Greece. Did fundies do it? No.
Thomas is said to have been killed in far east, possibly India. Fundies? No.
Philip & Matthew were killed in Africa. Fundies? No
James was stoned to death in Syria.
Simon killed in Persia (Iran)
Matthias burned to death in Syria.
John was exiled by the Romans to an island of Patmos where he died.
They were killed because they preached the Gospel, the good news. Everyone knows this, and yet many here deny it, and insist people are not offended by the Gospel, but the messengers.
They were killed because they preached the Gospel, the good news. Everyone knows this, and yet many here deny it, and insist people are not offended by the Gospel, but the messengers.
They were killed because they pissed off the powers that be. It happens.
Do you feel terrible for the thousands of women burned to death because CHRISTIANS decided they were witches?
Or do you just save your pity for a handful of primitive men who appear in your storybook?
Were Peter and Paul killed in Rome by evil fundies? No. They were killed because they preached the Gospel. Had they kept their mouths shut, they would have died of old age.
Andrew was crucified in Greece. Did fundies do it? No.
Thomas is said to have been killed in far east, possibly India. Fundies? No.
Philip & Matthew were killed in Africa. Fundies? No
James was stoned to death in Syria.
Simon killed in Persia (Iran)
Matthias burned to death in Syria.
John was exiled by the Romans to an island of Patmos where he died.
They were killed because they preached the Gospel, the good news. Everyone knows this, and yet many here deny it, and insist people are not offended by the Gospel, but the messengers.
I only believe what is in the scriptures and it clearly says they(jewish heirarchy) killed the prophets AND BY the hands of wicked men, crucified the Great Prophet himself.
Barrabas was released because the Heirarchy stirred up the crowds for that to happen. All scriptural persecution we read is at the hands of our fundy ancestors.
Acts 4 The priests and the captain of the temple guard and the Sadducees came up to Peter and John while they were speaking to the people. 2 They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead
You see Finn Jarber, these boys preached Jesus Christ, they didn't preach some old wine sermon(which the hierarchy your ancestors would have slapped him on the back for) or an heaven and hell message, they preached the one who showed the way of the Father which the above mentioned hated, their god was not the Father of Jesus Christ, this retribate who taught a way that had never been heard throughout the nation of Israel and Judah before.
It is not about "us and them". It is about why people are offended by the Gospel,
and you said it is their ego, and I said earlier it their pride, so we are pretty much saying the same thing. Nicky Cruz was offended when a street pastor told him that Jesus loved him. He assaulted the preacher.
Yes, we are saying the same thing,pride being a by-product of ego .
My difference is this...'we' are not our ego....ego is just ego.
..fear in Nicky was fear...it was his fear...he just opened to plain o' fear.
A friend of mind has SUCH an enormous ego, has to be right every second...BUT...
it actually is not 'his' ego....he is being greatly influenced by ego itself....he doesn't know that
he is not his anger, pride, jealousy, lust, indignation, laziness....he thinks he IS all these things.
He isn't ...he is letting himself be influenced by it all, tho.
'He' is actually a wonderful, little soul...caught in the trap of ego.
Being offended by anything is due to separation, not seeing what is...so I do see it as ignorance
of our connection with God and to each other. God being 'out there'...
my brother is 'separate from me'...the classic 'Us and Them Syndrome'.
Yes, we are saying the same thing,pride being a by-product of ego .
My difference is this...'we' are not our ego....ego is just ego.
..fear in Nicky was fear...it was his fear...he just opened to plain o' fear.
A friend of mind has SUCH an enormous ego, has to be right every second...BUT...
it actually is not 'his' ego....he is being greatly influenced by ego itself....he doesn't know that
he is not his anger, pride, jealousy, lust, indignation, laziness....he thinks he IS all these things.
He isn't ...he is letting himself be influenced by it all, tho.
'He' is actually a wonderful, little soul...caught in the trap of ego.
Being offended by anything is due to separation, not seeing what is...so I do see it as ignorance
of our connection with God and to each other. God being 'out there'...
my brother is 'separate from me'...the classic 'Us and Them Syndrome'.
But, you don't have to see it as I do, Finn.
Unconnected to God? Yes, that would pretty much define the people in question aka unbelievers who were offended by the Gospel.
"This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. "
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