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Old 10-04-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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“For by works of the law no human being will be justified in His sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.” (Rom 3:20)

Righteousness has been imputed to us – sin has no power over us. That means that positionally you have been removed from the state of sin into the state of righteousness - not by your works, but by faith in His work.

“For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.” (Rom:6:14) People read that and apply law to themselves, but see it through the eyes of grace! God doesn't see your sin because He sees the Blood. We should no longer be sin conscious but be conscious of God’s righteousness.

“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.” (Rom 4:7-8)

We are blessed, not by our works, efforts or accomplishments, but only by beholding Jesus and his finished work on the cross. In fact, our righteousness is filth in light of God's holiness. (Isa 64:6) We are truly blessed because all our sins are eternally forgotten, never to be remembered anymore.

How is it possible that the grace of God frees us from living in sin? “For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteousness requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.” (Rom 8:2-4)

By Jesus fulfilling the righteous requirement of the law, He took all our sins upon Him and we appropriated his righteousness by faith.

Then the lawmungers scream, "There can be no sin in the camp!" To which the response must be: "Quit eating of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." ”For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.” (Gal 5:1)

Is sin real? Of course - but when we fall, let us not fall from grace! We have an advocate with the Father, so trust in Him and don't focus on your failures...that, my friends is overcoming. Condemnation and sin consciousness are crippling lives today due to people’s lack of understanding of truth and not understanding their position in Christ; however, there is hope for the believer through the grace and truth that comes through Jesus. It was law that came through Moses, but the truth came through Christ!

The result is we will actually see fruit of righteousness. Sin consciousness actually produces sin - "The sting of death is sin, and the strength (power) of sin is the law". (1 Cor 15:56) Did we read that correctly? Sin's power is actually in our consciousness of the law.
Is the murderer also righteous then? For if it doesn't take works to save you, then surely the work of murder cannot condemn you, correct?
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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Is the murderer also righteous then? For it if doesn't take works to save you, then surely the work of murder cannot condemn you, correct?
David, king of Israel
Saul of Tarsus/Paul the Apostle
etc...

The Savior is known as the I AM, a God of our present who is not held within the confines of time and space as we know it. What does that have to do with anything?

What is the murderer who has come to faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice for him/her? According to the law of grace, he/she is no longer but is now a new creature in Christ. The world will still hold them under law, because the law is made for the ungodly (1 Tim 1:9). They may be held in prison, or even put to death...

...but in Christ they're a new creature.
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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Is the murderer also righteous then? For if it doesn't take works to save you, then surely the work of murder cannot condemn you, correct?
Never took a logic class, didja?

no work can save === no work can condemn....

apple ======================== squash

If works can save, then you could murder freely, and counter it with asundried great works and offset the negative with the positive.

So, your question presents, it's ok to be evil if you are equally or more, good.

OR..... You must be bipolar, to be Christian.

OR..... You must BE double minded.... not avoid double minded....
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:40 PM
 
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David, king of Israel
Saul of Tarsus/Paul the Apostle
etc...

The Savior is known as the I AM, a God of our present who is not held within the confines of time and space as we know it. What does that have to do with anything?

What is the murderer who has come to faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice for him/her? According to the law of grace, he/she is no longer but is now a new creature in Christ. The world will still hold them under law, because the law is made for the ungodly (1 Tim 1:9). They may be held in prison, or even put to death...

...but in Christ they're a new creature.
I'm still a bit confused. So a Murderer doesn't come to Christ right now but is still doing the work of murder and doing their own thing, are they then righteous right now?
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:42 PM
 
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Never took a logic class, didja?

no work can save === no work can condemn....

apple ======================== squash

If works can save, then you could murder freely, and counter it with asundried great works and offset the negative with the positive.

So, your question presents, it's ok to be evil if you are equally or more, good.

OR..... You must be bipolar, to be Christian.

OR..... You must BE double minded.... not avoid double minded....
So if everyone is currently rightous right now then why are we even concerned about having this conversation?
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Dallas TX
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So if everyone is currently rightous right now then why are we even concerned about having this conversation?
Watermelons cost more in Japan than here in Texas. Why are we using computers?






Your question and premise was ABSOLUTELY disparate from the discussiong
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:50 PM
 
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Watermelons cost more in Japan than here in Texas. Why are we using computers?






Your question and premise was ABSOLUTELY disparate from the discussiong
Ok, since we both have a disconnect, I'll continue questions with Little Elmer.
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:52 PM
 
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Ok, since we both have a disconnect, I'll continue questions with Little Elmer.
Just tie the question in with the conversation. You don't have to take your toys and go home.

Unless you can't, then just say, sorry, I'm off key there and let it go.

I think you were trying to say something. Just say what your issue is that you are Socratically working at and we can cut the chase.
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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Just tie the question in with the conversation. You don't have to take your toys and go home.

Unless you can't, then just say, sorry, I'm off key there and let it go.

I think you were trying to say something. Just say what your issue is that you are Socratically working at and we can cut the chase.
I'll wait for Little Elmer and discuss, thanks anyway.
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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I'll wait for Little Elmer and discuss, thanks anyway.
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