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The Law that God had given Moses is the Law that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Jesus also teaches us that law is inadequate in itself and that is why He established a "New Covenant"based not on law, but on commitment to a principle of concern for everyone in any situation that is "agape."
What is so hard to understand about "love fulfills the Law," and "the letter kills but the spirit gives life?"
Jesus did not teaches us that law is inadequate. The true law that God gave to Moses is not inadequate, because is the same that Jesus Christ taught when He preached the Gospel. That's why love fulfills the Law, the Gospel Law, not the Old Testament law, which es a law of death.
The, the law that is inadequate is the Old Testament law, because in the Old Testament there are many mandates wrotten that only are precepts of men, not of God. And those precepts of men are the letter that kills. But the commandments of Gospel, which are the tue Gods law, don't kill, because are commandments of life.
You must remenber that Jesus said that He didn't came to abolish the Law and the prophets. But the Law of God is not all Old Testament mandates, but the one that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)
The Law that God had given Moses is the Law that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel.
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Originally Posted by nateswift
Jesus also teaches us that law is inadequate in itself and that is why He established a "New Covenant"based not on law, but on commitment to a principle of concern for everyone in any situation that is "agape."
What is so hard to understand about "love fulfills the Law," and "the letter kills but the spirit gives life?"
Jesus did not teaches us that law is inadequate. The true law that God gave to Moses is not inadequate, because is the same that Jesus Christ taught when He preached the Gospel. That's why love fulfills the Law, the Gospel Law, not the Old Testament law, which is a law of death.
The law that is inadequate is the Old Testament law, because in the Old Testament there are many mandates wrotten that only are precepts of men, not of God. And those precepts of men are the letter that kills. But the commandments of Gospel, which are the true Gods law, don't kill, because are commandments of life.
You must remenber that Jesus said that He didn't came to abolish the Law and the prophets. But the Law of God is not all mandates of Old Testament, but the one that Jesus teaches us in the Gospel:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)
Now I also remember the Law of Jesus Christ expressed in commandments, as the Gospel teaches:
"And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions" (Matthew 19: 16-22
And this law and these commandments are in effect for all peoples, because this Law and these commandments are the true God's Law, not all commandments of Old Testament.
What God wants is very simple, he wants mankind to simply accept him, and for all mankind to stop involving themselves in pagan ways with pagan God, and those pagan ways were about sacrifice.
God had not command sacrifices, as the Gospel teaches us:
"And if you had known what this means, 'I want mercy, and not sacrifice,' you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12: 7).
What God wants is men to keep his commandments, the true commandments of God, which are what Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel.
But the commandments of God were changed in the Old Testament by mandates of men because the Law of God was changed in lie by the lying pen of the scribes, as the prophet Jeremiah tells us:
...my people know not the judgment of Yahweh.How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us ? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8:7-9).
God had not command sacrifices, as the Gospel teaches us:
"And if you had known what this means, 'I want mercy, and not sacrifice,' you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent"*" (Matthew 12: 7).
What God wants is men to keep his commandments, the true commandments of God, which are what Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel.
But the commandments of God were changed in the Old Testament by mandates of men because the Law of God was changed in lie by the lying pen of the scribes, as the prophet Jeremiah tells us:
...my people know not the judgment of Yahweh.How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us ? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8:7-9).
What God wants is very simple, he wants mankind to simply accept him, and for all mankind to stop involving themselves in pagan ways with pagan God, and those pagan ways were about sacrifice.
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Originally Posted by Porque77
God had not command sacrifices, as the Gospel teaches us:
"And if you had known what this means, 'I want mercy, and not sacrifice,' you wouldn’t have condemned the innocent" (Matthew 12: 7).
What God wants is men to keep his commandments, the true commandments of God, which are what Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel.
But the commandments of God were changed in the Old Testament by mandates of men because the Law of God was changed in lie by the lying pen of the scribes, as the prophet Jeremiah tells us:
...my people know not the judgment of Yahweh.How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us ? Certainly has changed into a lie the lying pen of the scribes" (Jeremiah 8:7-9).
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Thank you, MysticPhD. I'm glad you understand what I said and you agree.
I hope Hannibal and others also understand the Law that God had given to Moses is the commandments that Jesus Christ taught us when he preached the Gospel and not all the commands that are written in the Old Testament, for the Law of God was changed in lie by the liar pen of the scribes, as Jeremiah 8: 7-8 tells us
There was to be no law of Moses, Moses came down that mountain with immortality in his hand, their choice changed everything, there was not going to be an ark of the covenant as a communication between man and God, no need for a standing temple.
Again, Moses was about to witness a consummation between humans and God, they would have all been seeded with a spirit where their bodies would have birthed a new immortal creature, there would have been no temptation to even break a law because they would have been changed in the twinkling of an eye, and there would be no evil imaginations coming to them in the first place, and no law needed........
The Law was always necessary. That's why God gave it. But the Law that God had really given is not the Old Testament mandates that ordered men to harm and kill people. The true Law of God is what Jesus taught us when He preached the Gospel, because He Himself said that the Law and the prophets is this:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)
Hannibal, I don't know if you did understand this:
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Originally Posted by Porque77
The Law was always necessary. That's why God gave it. But the Law that God had really given is not the Old Testament mandates that ordered men to harm and kill people. The true Law of God is what Jesus taught us when He preached the Gospel, because He Himself said that the Law and the prophets is this:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7: 12)
...and that was the voice of God they removed from their ears...
The voice of God they removed from their ears were the commandments that God had really given from the beginning and in the time of Moses. And those commandments are the commandments of the Gospel, not the Old Testament mandates that ordered men to harm and kill people.
Although the Law was given to the Jews, it was a Law for all the peoples of the earth:
"Make a joyful noise unto Jehovah, all ye lands. Serve Jehovah with gladness:
Come before his presence with singing.
Know ye that Jehovah, he is God:
It is he that hath made us, and we are his; We are his people, and the sheep of his pasture." (Psalm 100:1-3)
"Their line is gone out through all the earth, And their words to the end of the world.
In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
And rejoiceth as a strong man to run his course.
His going forth is from the end of the heavens,
And his circuit unto the ends of it;
And there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of Jehovah is perfect, restoring the soul:
The testimony of Jehovah is sure, making wise the simple. The precepts of Jehovah are right, rejoicing the heart:
The commandment of Jehovah is pure, enlightening the eyes.
The fear of Jehovah is clean, enduring for ever: The ordinances of Jehovah are true, [and] righteous altogether". (Psalm 19:4-9)
Galatians 3: 19-25; What, then, was the purpose of the Law? It was added in order to show what wrongdoing is, and it was meant to last until the coming of Abraham's descendant, to whom the promise was made. The Law was handed down by angels, with a man acting as a go-between. But a go-between is not needed when only one person is involved; and God is one.
Does this mean that the Law is against God's promises? No, not at all! For if human beings had received a law that could bring life, then everyone could be put right with God by obeying it. But the scripture says that the whole world is under the power of sin; and so the gift which is promised on the basis of faith in Jesus Christ is given to those WHO BELIEVE.
But before the time for faith came, the Law kept us all locked up as prisoners until this coming faith should be revealed. And so the Law was in charge of us until Christ came, in order that we might then be put right with God through faith. Now that the time for faith is here, the Law is no longer in charge of us. (WHO BELIEVE)
Colossians 2: 16; Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
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