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Old 12-05-2013, 08:48 PM
 
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The penalty of sin is death, the ultimate result being the lake of fire for whoever does not believe on Christ Jesus. Scripture compared with Scripture.

We were all condemned on the basis of Adam's original sin (Romans 5:12,18-19). Not for our own personal sins. We were condemned at birth before ever committing a personal sin. Our personal sins were imputed to Christ on the Cross where He paid the penalty for our personal sins (1 Peter 2:24).

1.) "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." Matthew 1:21

2.) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

3.) And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, (Physically alive but spiritually dead) Ephesians 2:1

4.) For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16

5.) "He who believes in Him is not judged (condemned); he who does not believe has been judged (condemned) already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God John 3:18

6.) "He who believes on the Son has (Present tense) eternal life; but he who does not obey (apeithéō - refuses to be persuaded [by the Lord]) the Son will not see (Future tense) life, but the wrath of God abides (Present tense) on him." John 3:36

7.) '... dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power (initially in 'Torments' in Hades, but ultimately in the lake of fire after the end of the Millennium), when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, (Second Advent at end of Tribulation ) and to be marveled at among all who have believed-- for our testimony to you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10

8.) "Then He will also say (at the judgment of the nations following the Tribulation) to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire (their ultimate destination after the Millennium, following their time in Hades, or perhaps, as with the beast and the false prophet, this group of people will be immediately sent to the lake of fire) which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; . . . "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41,46

9.) And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. (Before the Millennium begins) Revelation 19:20

10.) And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone (After the Millennium ends), where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:10

11.) Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:11-15

To avoid eternal separation from God in the lake of fire, simply respond to God's call through the gospel message (2 Thessalonians 2:14) by believing on Christ . . . by relying on Him and Him alone for eternal life. For as it is written,
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes on Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16

Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household. Acts 16:31 (Everyone in the jailer's household personally believed on Christ and all were saved. Acts 16:34 )

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Old 12-05-2013, 09:47 PM
 
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Based on the Bible, your conclusion and evidence is inescapable.

I suppose that is why so many today tend to disregard or downplay the importance of scriptural truth (or even "truth" itself)... when it comes to anything that resembles judgment, consequences or accountability.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:04 PM
 
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Balderdash

X2.
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:34 AM
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True... but is it in the context of "good news"?

When we segregate scripture isn't the message skewed? but I get your point in the context of recent augmentative people.

Imagine going on vacation and only getting the "don't do this list" ... you know the one that says; "violators will prosecuted to the full extent of the law". Kinda ruins it for me and for a lot of other people.

If we do it with love... then we can say our spirit is of God but if we do to win an argument out of prideful self righteousness, well then ...

...just sayin'
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Old 12-06-2013, 03:49 AM
 
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Based on the fact that sin is missing the mark. Jesus came to save us from missing the mark. In other words taking those who believe it out of failure into victory.

How does God do this for us

And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

By the knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins. In other words giving us power over that which as always defeated us................ Condemnation(just add here condemnation from hell if you are a fundamentalist).

Just like Paul when he was in that so wretched state of condemnation that he could not do what he wanted to do and the things he didn't want to do he found himself doing, until he understood that there is no condemnation to be found in Christ.
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:53 AM
 
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The penalty of sin is death, the ultimate result being the lake of fire for whoever does not believe on Christ Jesus. Scripture compared with Scripture.

We were all condemned on the basis of Adam's original sin (Romans 5:12,18-19). Not for our own personal sins. We were condemned at birth before ever committing a personal sin. Our personal sins were imputed to Christ on the Cross where He paid the penalty for our personal sins (1 Peter 2:24).

1.) "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." Matthew 1:21

2.) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

3.) And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, (Physically alive but spiritually dead) Ephesians 2:1

4.) For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16

5.) "He who believes in Him is not judged (condemned); he who does not believe has been judged (condemned) already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God John 3:18

6.) "He who believes on the Son has (Present tense) eternal life; but he who does not obey (apeithéō - refuses to be persuaded [by the Lord]) the Son will not see (Future tense) life, but the wrath of God abides (Present tense) on him." John 3:36

7.) '... dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power (initially in 'Torments' in Hades, but ultimately in the lake of fire after the end of the Millennium), when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, (Second Advent at end of Tribulation ) and to be marveled at among all who have believed-- for our testimony to you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-10

8.) "Then He will also say (at the judgment of the nations following the Tribulation) to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire (their ultimate destination after the Millennium, following their time in Hades, or perhaps, as with the beast and the false prophet, this group of people will be immediately sent to the lake of fire) which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; . . . "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matthew 25:41,46

9.) And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. (Before the Millennium begins) Revelation 19:20

10.) And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone (After the Millennium ends), where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:10

11.) Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:11-15

To avoid eternal separation from God in the lake of fire, simply respond to God's call through the gospel message (2 Thessalonians 2:14) by believing on Christ . . . by relying on Him and Him alone for eternal life. For as it is written,
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes on Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:16

Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household. Acts 16:31 (Everyone in the jailer's household personally believed on Christ and all were saved. Acts 16:34 )
What does it mean by "believe" in your opinion?
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:31 AM
 
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True... but is it in the context of "good news"?

When we segregate scripture isn't the message skewed? but I get your point in the context of recent augmentative people.

Imagine going on vacation and only getting the "don't do this list" ... you know the one that says; "violators will prosecuted to the full extent of the law". Kinda ruins it for me and for a lot of other people.

If we do it with love... then we can say our spirit is of God but if we do to win an argument out of prideful self righteousness, well then ...

...just sayin'
Dave, eternal separation from God in the lake of fire is in no way 'good news.' It is an unpleasant reality that awaits those who do not receive God's offer of eternal life. The purpose of this thread is not to segregate scripture, but rather to bring together in a logical sequence the pertinent Scripture dealing with a specific category of truth. It is legitimate to ask the question, 'What exactly are we saved from?' The intent of this thread is to answer that question.

The good news is that God does not desire that anyone perish. For that reason, and since sinful man cannot pay the penalty for his own sins, it was in God's predetermined plan (Acts 2:23) to provide a deliverer who could and would pay the penalty for our sins. Therefore God the Father commissioned the Second Person of the Trinity to come into the world as a member of the human race and go to the cross where He bore our sins in His own body and paid the penalty that was due us. Through the virgin birth Jesus was born without sin. He lived a life free from sin which qualified Him to go to the cross and be our Savior.

With our sins having been judged, and the penalty for them paid, the issue then becomes a matter of responding to the gospel message by simply placing our personal faith in Christ Jesus. We can only come to the Father through Jesus Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
There are many who reject the Biblically revealed truth regarding the fact that those who do not accept God's offer of salvation will spend the eternal future separated from Him, and no amount of arguing with them will change their minds. The intent of this thread is to simply present the facts for whoever will listen.
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:59 AM
 
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The lake of fire is going to be such a wonderful thing. God's going to remove the dross and purify the wicked.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:11 AM
 
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What does it mean by "believe" in your opinion?
To believe on Christ means to accept as true the proposition that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He came into the world to die for our sins, and that He rose again. And believing that, to rely on Him and Him alone for the forgiveness of sins.

1 Corinthians 15:3 is the mechanics or nuts and bolts of the gospel;
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4] and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
John 3:16 is a beautiful summary of the gospel;
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes on Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
God offers salvation only as a free gift (John 4:10,14; Romans 5:15,16, 6:23; 2 Corinthians 9:15; Revelation 22:17) which is received by grace through faith in Christ Jesus (Ephesians 2:8-9). It cannot be earned, it cannot be worked for.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:16 AM
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The Gospel means good news.

Yes... even the Gospel has bad news... I get that. However I contend that we should focus more upon how to get there ( heaven) and not to enter a battle of truths to make a point.

Warning and consequences are absolutly necessary, absolutly truthful and they exist everywhere in life. You see, I'm a simple guy who trys to break it down to it's simplest form... so when teaching someone how to do anything we show them how to win within the rules not just the rules that will cause them to stumble.

Think of it like this.... a mountain road, winding and twisting. Going over the edge would mean certain death, without question. However this road has guard rails... so ask yourself; would you feel safer with the guard rails? or without? Same road, same car, same danger but if the unthinkable was to happen those guard rails would save me. That's all I'm sayin'.
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