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Old 02-15-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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I am curious, though this is off thread.

How does the UPC explain the very clear verses that speak of Jesus as a separate being/person (In scripture there is no distinction between the two, only in English) and "at the Father's right hand" etc?

Same person cannot sit at his own right hand, approach himself etc?
There is One G-d with His own Spirit and there is One human being, HaMeshiach, that followed all the Fathers statutes perfectly and HaShem placed His Spirit within Yeshua on the day He was baptized in the River Jordan, it was that day that He was begotten by HaShem...
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Old 02-15-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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Any time I use the word "you" or "your" it's not meaning YOU. It's an "everyone in general" kind of you.
You mean to say that you are speaking autonomously...

Maybe you should use the autonomous form, "one", as in, "one just doesn't do that."...In other words it is being stated that the ones that believe that that should not be done do not do that...Not that everyone thinks the same way...
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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Spirit in the Hebrew is more accurately translated into wind, not some conscious entity bargaining for brain time with you.
At least that's how the bible sees it.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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Don'y worry about it, you are in good company when someone touts education.

BBE Acts 4:13 Now when they saw that Peter and John were without fear, though they were men of no education or learning, they were greatly surprised; and they took note of them that they had been with Jesus.
Who was Luke speaking about?...Peter and John or the men that were observing Peter and John?...
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Old 02-15-2014, 05:42 PM
 
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There is One G-d with His own Spirit and there is One human being, HaMeshiach, that followed all the Fathers statutes perfectly and HaShem placed His Spirit within Yeshua on the day He was baptized in the River Jordan, it was that day that He was begotten by HaShem...
At the Jordan, God acknowledged the perfection of Christ's Holy Spirit . . . but Jesus said that He was taught by the Father all along throughout His life up to that point. He had God's Holy Spirit to guide Him. That is the advantage that Jesus had that we didn't. Once Jesus died and was reborn as Spirit . . . we now have the same teacher . . . His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness.
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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Who was Luke speaking about?...Peter and John or the men that were observing Peter and John?...
Luke was speaking about the religious leaders who made that comment about Peter nd John.

ASV Acts 4:5 And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers and elders and scribes were gathered together in Jerusalem;6 and Annas the high priest was there, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest. 7 And when they had set them in the midst, they inquired, By what power, or in what name, have ye done this? 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders,

Peter and John were common people. Remember Peter was a fisherman and the Leaders felt their education made a difference and it didn't.
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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At the Jordan, God acknowledged the perfection of Christ's Holy Spirit . . . but Jesus said that He was taught by the Father all along throughout His life up to that point. He had God's Holy Spirit to guide Him. That is the advantage that Jesus had that we didn't. Once Jesus died and was reborn as Spirit . . . we now have the same teacher . . . His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness.
Hey we agree on something.
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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Don'y worry about it, you are in good company when someone touts education.

BBE Acts 4:13 Now when they saw that Peter and John were without fear, though they were men of no education or learning, they were greatly surprised; and they took note of them that they had been with Jesus.

ASV 1 Corinthians 1:27 but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put to shame them that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;
Hahahaha... I have always loved this verse! Shows that you don't need a FINE education to know the things of God or perform the same "works"!
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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At the Jordan, God acknowledged the perfection of Christ's Holy Spirit . . . but Jesus said that He was taught by the Father all along throughout His life up to that point. He had God's Holy Spirit to guide Him. That is the advantage that Jesus had that we didn't. Once Jesus died and was reborn as Spirit . . . we now have the same teacher . . . His Holy Spirit (Comforter) within our consciousness.
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Hey we agree on something.
God is great!!!
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Old 02-15-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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You mean to say that you are speaking autonomously...

Maybe you should use the autonomous form, "one", as in, "one just doesn't do that."...In other words it is being stated that the ones that believe that that should not be done do not do that...Not that everyone thinks the same way...
Really??? >flashback to high school english class<

If I need to use proper words when making a post then I guess I should get off the forum. If I have to sit here and use a dictionary when trying to translate someone else's post, then maybe they can overlook my uneducated posts!
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