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Old 02-15-2014, 07:02 PM
 
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How were they barbaric?...


God specifies different orders for Israel regarding different kinds of Canaanites:
For some Canaanite cities, only the men should be killed (Deut 20:12-15). Here, God specifically commands Israel not to kill the women, children, and livestock.
In the case of other cities, God commanded that the men, women, and children be killed (Deut 20:16-18). Specifically, these are the “Hethites, and the Amorrhites, and the Chanaanites, the Pherezites, and the Hevites, and the Jebusites.”
In the case of the Amalakites, the worst enemies of Israel, God commanded that the men, women, children, and livestock be killed (1 Sam 15:3-23).


Killing babies and women is never justified. And if God commanded this killings then I do not believe in the God of the OT.

The only explanation is that the folks that wrote the OT were barbarians.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:06 PM
 
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He punished Adam and evil was the result for man, as man tried to rule himself without God.Just read the newspaper and see the evil that has resulted.

This is more plausible. I applaud you!
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:08 PM
 
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God specifies different orders for Israel regarding different kinds of Canaanites:
For some Canaanite cities, only the men should be killed (Deut 20:12-15). Here, God specifically commands Israel not to kill the women, children, and livestock.
In the case of other cities, God commanded that the men, women, and children be killed (Deut 20:16-18). Specifically, these are the “Hethites, and the Amorrhites, and the Chanaanites, the Pherezites, and the Hevites, and the Jebusites.”
In the case of the Amalakites, the worst enemies of Israel, God commanded that the men, women, children, and livestock be killed (1 Sam 15:3-23).


Killing babies and women is never justified. And if God commanded this killings then I do not believe in the God of the OT.

The only explanation is that the folks that wrote the OT were barbarians.


You forget that life is not over when one dies. God has decreed man to live forever. Where that is is what these forums are partly all about. Babies being innocent, enter immediately into the Presence of God.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:09 PM
 
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God specifies different orders for Israel regarding different kinds of Canaanites:
For some Canaanite cities, only the men should be killed (Deut 20:12-15). Here, God specifically commands Israel not to kill the women, children, and livestock.
In the case of other cities, God commanded that the men, women, and children be killed (Deut 20:16-18). Specifically, these are the “Hethites, and the Amorrhites, and the Chanaanites, the Pherezites, and the Hevites, and the Jebusites.”
In the case of the Amalakites, the worst enemies of Israel, God commanded that the men, women, children, and livestock be killed (1 Sam 15:3-23).
Killing babies and women is never justified. And if God commanded this killings then I do not believe in the God of the OT.
The only explanation is that the folks that wrote the OT were barbarians.
It is undeniable, Julian. Regettably, there are those who would excuse the barbarity under the rationale that "God's ways are not our ways" . . . or "God is mysterious" . . . or "we cannot know God's motives but they are good" . . . or whatever!!! It is a travesty of ancient human ignorance that has been retained as a sign of faith in God! Belief in fables and impossibilities has also been retained as a sign of faith in God. Such perversity is the true mystery of religions.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:36 PM
 
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Correct. Adam could obey and chose not to.

Many believe God saw the fall and did nothing and some believe he made the fall. In either case that denigrates God significantly as to love and power. Both are far different than seeing the potential and letting man make the choice.
Well, if you look at it, God did kind of set Adam and Eve up for the fall.

He put a Tree of Good and Evil in front of them, knowing that they didn't see the harm in what they were doing. It was only after the Serpent tempted them that they fell.

To me, that seems like blaming the car for a person's bad driving.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:40 PM
 
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You forget that life is not over when one dies. God has decreed man to live forever. Where that is is what these forums are partly all about. Babies being innocent, enter immediately into the Presence of God.


So God commanded the murder of children because they were going to heaven? The resources of Sola Scriptura folks are plentiful. Other bible literalists say that God commanded the killing of the children because they were possessed by Satan. Who is correct?

Your justification for the assassination of children is very naive.

If you could get away with murder: Would you kill your own children so they can go to heaven? I would hope you say NO!


Could it be that the OT is just a very old book with allegoric mythological stories?
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:35 PM
 
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God specifies different orders for Israel regarding different kinds of Canaanites:
For some Canaanite cities, only the men should be killed (Deut 20:12-15). Here, God specifically commands Israel not to kill the women, children, and livestock.
In the case of other cities, God commanded that the men, women, and children be killed (Deut 20:16-18). Specifically, these are the “Hethites, and the Amorrhites, and the Chanaanites, the Pherezites, and the Hevites, and the Jebusites.”
In the case of the Amalakites, the worst enemies of Israel, God commanded that the men, women, children, and livestock be killed (1 Sam 15:3-23).


Killing babies and women is never justified. And if God commanded this killings then I do not believe in the God of the OT.

The only explanation is that the folks that wrote the OT were barbarians.
Then we are also barbarians today...
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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You forget that life is not over when one dies. God has decreed man to live forever. Where that is is what these forums are partly all about. Babies being innocent, enter immediately into the Presence of God.

No one goes directly to heaven when they die...They are in the ground until the Resurrection.
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Old 02-15-2014, 10:23 PM
 
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Then we are also barbarians today...
Yes, there are many even today. One would think we would be more civilized after 3,000 years.
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:32 AM
 
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Indeed, I agree! However, might I ask what rebellion would be all about?

God gave Adam a command to obey. It was expected of him to obey it? __and Adam was without sin.
The first things you have to remember about God and Adam:
1. God knew beforehand Adam would sin
2. God may have created Adam perfect but He still created Adam with a nature and capacity to sin

One could honestly argue that God deliberately set Adam up to fail. Adam never had a chance. Especially with a power-hungry, ambitious woman like Eve hanging around him. Just kidding, girls.
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